[sword-devel] ISV status?

Andrew Thule thulester at gmail.com
Mon Jan 7 11:43:18 MST 2013

Greg, its not clear you understand copyright law.

Copyright Law is generic .. it applies generally.  If you read American,
Canadian, or European copyright law you won't find anything mentionion
CrossWire, ISV, ESV specifically.  That means it lays down principles.

Therefore, copyright law with respect to either printed work or digital
work covers specifics in licenses.  If you read the licensing that comes
with the ESV  (found here http://www.esv.org/tools/licensing/  ) which is
specific, you'll see that nothing there says anything about CrossWire
having the right to distribute the ESV either, which means CrossWire's
'right' to distribute the ESV (since the entire bible is being
distributed)  is covered under its own license.

Thefore anyone using CrossWire's ESV module, or developing that module are
bound by a license that is apparently 'confidential'.

Therefore if I have done as I've claimed, and distributed the ISV in
contravention of some law, you should be able to produce some document that
says I'm not permitted to do it.  Since the Copyright act doesn't
specifically speak about the ISV, you would presumably go to the ISV
foundation site.  Yes there is a document there (just like with the ESV),
except it says nothing about CrossWire's right to distribute, so that
license is not the one I've breached.   For Crosswire to assert its right
to distribute the ISV it must have a license that says this, and that is
what we're talking about.


On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Greg Hellings <greg.hellings at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Andrew Thule <thulester at gmail.com> wrote:
> > What I did have a hard time with was being publicly held accountable to
> > license restrictions reasonably unknown to me (and apparently secret),
> while
> > having the issue made personal.  It isn't reasonable to assume I knew
> > sharing a compiled module with this group would set off a firestorm if
> the
> > license between the ISV foundation and CrossWire is treated as
> confidential
> You're not being held accountable to CrossWire's terms of
> distribution. You're being held accountable to Copyright law.
> Something you are reasonably expected to know. But which you have
> repeatedly shown yourself either unknowledgeable of - in the case of
> the Dead Sea Scroll modules discussion - or unwilling to abide by
> without some sort of extra treatment - in this case knowledge of a
> contract between two parties which has no bearing on you.
> Stop trying to insult the rest of our intelligences by taking the
> position of victim in this. You have shown flagrant disregard for
> Copyright and an unwilling attitude to learn or be instructed in it.
> --Greg
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