[sword-devel] How to log out Strongs modules for development
DavidTroidl at aol.com
Tue Dec 14 06:33:48 MST 2010
On 12/14/2010 7:01 AM, David Instone-Brewer wrote:
> Dear Daniel
> I was hoping to look at the possibility of adding a "Root" field to
> the Strongs modules, so that people could do a search for similar words.
> As a starting point I was going to find a programming way of
> identifying clusters from Strong's own internal links to similar words,
> and then look through for obvious errors (that's the tricky bit!).
> It would be nice to make a distinction between "root" and "lemma", but
> this would take more sophistication.
The root field would be a wonderful idea. Darrell Smith and I had done
some work on Hebrew roots a while back. He may have more to say on this
point. On OpenScriptures, we also have my BDB Outline, which gives a
rough approximation of derivation
(https://github.com/openscriptures/HebrewLexicon). The project is in a
state of flux right now, but the current version is at least consistent.
On the Greek side, I have a Greek lexicon, that I use for recording my
translation choices. It also contains a derivative field, that may be
of use. I could probably extract that, if it would help.
> Initially I just need a copy of the project at present (in XML or
> similar) to see if the plan is feasible.
> If I get some sensible results, it looks like the best thing to do is
> to send them to you for incorporation into the official module.
> Is that right?
> BTW the Strongs Greek v.1.4 still lists 5054 (teknwn) as derived from
> This should be derived from "5088". This is in error in all online
> versions of Strongs
> This error led someone to publish a book last year saying that Jesus
> was actually the son of a judge, and was a respected member of the
> establishment, because 5098 is /_timoria_/ from 5097; vindication,
> i.e. (by implication) a penalty:--punishment.
> Its frightening what can happen as a result of bad OCR.
> David IB
> At 22:25 13/12/2010, Daniel Owens wrote:
>> On 12/13/2010 04:06 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
>>> On 13/12/10 16:13, David Haslam wrote:
>>>> If you wish to obtain the OSIS source text for a module, then you'd
>>>> need to
>>>> contact the relevant CrossWire volunteer.
>>> The Strong modules are created using TEI not OSIS.
>>> I am not sure (though Chris Little will know) if this :
>>> and our source is the same, but I would think nevertheless this is a
>>> quality source for TEI encoded Strongs.
>>> Another, interesting (though I think, quite sleepy) project is here:
>>> Unfortunate the site appears to be in difficulties. The site uses a
>>> variant of SFM to encode which should be easily translatable into TEI on
>> Sleepy is a great way to describe our project at textonline.org! I
>> get to it after semesters close (which is right now for us in
>> America), and I need to chase down our provider to fix the site's
>> database! Hopefully when my dissertation is done I will make lots of
>> Currently the effort in regard to Greek is essentially dormant. For
>> Hebrew, I am working on checking the glosses that you, David IB,
>> obtained from the OLB lexicon to make sure they conform to BDB and
>> Strongs, thus moving the source way from the OLB source and toward
>> public domain material. I am using WeSay, a program written by SIL to
>> enable collaboration in developing lexicons. The files are in LIFT
>> XML and housed at LanguageDepot.org. If you or someone you know would
>> like to contribute to the ongoing work, register there and let me
>> know so I can get you (or another) set up to contribute. WeSay uses
>> Mercurial for version control, but all the user does is click
>> Send/Receive button in WeSay. It is really user-friendly once it is
>> set up. Once I get the textonline.org site back up and running I will
>> make sure the instructions there are clear.
>> But for Strongs, another source is at OpenScriptures.org. I think
>> they are working on perfecting a Strong's source in OSIS.
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