[sword-devel] Making Import Easier

Troy A. Griffitts scribe at crosswire.org
Tue Apr 7 15:25:20 MST 2009

Dear Mark,

Thank you for your encouragement that your sons don't hate me :)  My 
truly sincere apologies for grouping so many people together into the 
same lump and firing off a list of my frustrations, impugning everyone 
to everything in my list.  I understand, accept, and relate to their 
frustration.  I am glad to hear that my suspicion is incorrect that many 
in that 'lump' despise working together with us-- at least that your 
sons don't feel that way.

Please accept my apologies.  Looking forward to a cooperative, 
enjoyable, and profitable relationship moving forward.


Mark Morgan wrote:
> Troy,
> I have never written to this forum before, but your post made me feel I 
> should.  My only involvement previously has been in reading posts since 
> July last year.
> In your comment about your work on the project having become a burden, I 
> feel sympathy for you in this and hope it can be otherwise again.  
> However, some points you made need answering, as some will have received 
> wrong and damaging impressions.  My comments are below.
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Troy A. Griffitts <scribe at crosswire.org 
> <mailto:scribe at crosswire.org>> wrote:
>     Matthew Talbert wrote:
>         As to why the current documentation isn't better, or why there
>         aren't
>         more modules in source format to look at,
>     It's because people don't step up and write the documentation.  I'd
>     love to include the man pages from Jonathan Marsden in SVN.  Thanks
>     Jonathan, for stepping up and trying to solve this area where we're
>     lacking.
>         it's essentially CrossWire
>         policy to keep it so that average users can't create modules easily
>     This is inappropriate.
>     Matthew, many on the Xiphos, and BPBible teams,
>     Most of your team members have unsubscribed from sword-devel because
>     of various reasons.  In general, I understand it is because you
>     don't like the way things are done around here; you don't think
>     things are done efficiently enough-- whatever.
>     You all really have just turned my love for this ministry into a
>     burden the past 6 months.
>     I would appreciate it if you would just please either leave or stop
>     instigating fights.
>     I'm tired of the private emails instead of to sword-devel, because
>     you are making statements by unsubscribing.  The communication with
>     other projects is just being hurt.  I've felt a real sense of hatred
>     from your teams.  I've done everything possible to dissuade those
>     feelings.  I'm sorry things aren't more efficient around here, but
>     it's an open project and members of your teams have commit access to
>     fix bugs.  I've called for volunteers to run stable branches (if a
>     stable release is your latest complaint), and no one steps up.  This
>     is open source volunteer work.  I'm sorry.  But I'd like to ask one
>     last time.  Please be part of the community and fix things, and be
>     encouraging and loving, and make this ministry enjoyable for
>     everyone, or please just move on.
> - You mention the BPBible team, of which I have some knowledge because 
> it is written entirely (except for the translations!) by three of my 
> sons who, incidentally, are all still subscribed to sword-devel.  In 5 
> or 10 years, they may forgive me for sending this! :)
> - You mention calling for volunteers to run stable branches and suggest 
> that no-one has stepped up.  Jonathan Morgan offered to help with 
> building a stable release back in February.  Not an offer of full 
> support for a stable branch at that stage, but maybe it could have led 
> to that if the offer had been accepted.
> - You seem to imply that members of BPBible team have been given commit 
> access but that they do nothing to fix bugs.  You know that Ben has been 
> making quite a few changes and bug fixes to the SWORD library recently.  
> You seemed appreciative, which was nice.
> - Sadly, you also mention a sense of hatred coming from the BPBible 
> team.  As I have been involved with quite a few discussions on the topic 
> of The SWORD Project in our home, I can assure you that those 
> discussions do not show any sense of hatred.  There certainly is a sense 
> of frustration at times when their desires for BPBible do not match the 
> desires of those managing the release schedule of The SWORD Project - 
> but I'm sure you would understand that frustration as you clearly feel 
> it in reverse.
> I would be happier if some of the responses I have read on this forum 
> had been aimed more at building up God's people.  Some are delightfully 
> encouraging, but others are not.  I'm sorry to have to say this, and 
> pray we can do better in future.
> I know nothing about those who work on Xiphos, but I hope the above 
> shows clearly that including BPBible in your criticisms was not well 
> based in fact.
> May God continue to bless your work in this and the work of all who try 
> to help others read and live his word.
> God bless.
> Mark
> "All I have seen teaches me to trust the creator for all I have not seen"
> Ralph Waldo Emerson
> "Have you not known? Have you not heard?  The LORD is the everlasting God,
> the Creator of the ends of the earth.  He does not faint or grow weary;
> his understanding is unsearchable." Isaiah 40:28
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