[sword-devel] Making Import Easier

Mark Morgan marktmorgan at gmail.com
Tue Apr 7 07:05:02 MST 2009

I have never written to this forum before, but your post made me feel I
should.  My only involvement previously has been in reading posts since July
last year.

In your comment about your work on the project having become a burden, I
feel sympathy for you in this and hope it can be otherwise again.  However,
some points you made need answering, as some will have received wrong and
damaging impressions.  My comments are below.

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Troy A. Griffitts <scribe at crosswire.org>wrote:

> Matthew Talbert wrote:
>> As to why the current documentation isn't better, or why there aren't
>> more modules in source format to look at,
> It's because people don't step up and write the documentation.  I'd love to
> include the man pages from Jonathan Marsden in SVN.  Thanks Jonathan, for
> stepping up and trying to solve this area where we're lacking.
>  it's essentially CrossWire
>> policy to keep it so that average users can't create modules easily
> This is inappropriate.
> Matthew, many on the Xiphos, and BPBible teams,
> Most of your team members have unsubscribed from sword-devel because of
> various reasons.  In general, I understand it is because you don't like the
> way things are done around here; you don't think things are done efficiently
> enough-- whatever.
> You all really have just turned my love for this ministry into a burden the
> past 6 months.
> I would appreciate it if you would just please either leave or stop
> instigating fights.
> I'm tired of the private emails instead of to sword-devel, because you are
> making statements by unsubscribing.  The communication with other projects
> is just being hurt.  I've felt a real sense of hatred from your teams.  I've
> done everything possible to dissuade those feelings.  I'm sorry things
> aren't more efficient around here, but it's an open project and members of
> your teams have commit access to fix bugs.  I've called for volunteers to
> run stable branches (if a stable release is your latest complaint), and no
> one steps up.  This is open source volunteer work.  I'm sorry.  But I'd like
> to ask one last time.  Please be part of the community and fix things, and
> be encouraging and loving, and make this ministry enjoyable for everyone, or
> please just move on.

- You mention the BPBible team, of which I have some knowledge because it is
written entirely (except for the translations!) by three of my sons who,
incidentally, are all still subscribed to sword-devel.  In 5 or 10 years,
they may forgive me for sending this! :)

- You mention calling for volunteers to run stable branches and suggest that
no-one has stepped up.  Jonathan Morgan offered to help with building a
stable release back in February.  Not an offer of full support for a stable
branch at that stage, but maybe it could have led to that if the offer had
been accepted.

- You seem to imply that members of BPBible team have been given commit
access but that they do nothing to fix bugs.  You know that Ben has been
making quite a few changes and bug fixes to the SWORD library recently.  You
seemed appreciative, which was nice.

- Sadly, you also mention a sense of hatred coming from the BPBible team.
As I have been involved with quite a few discussions on the topic of The
SWORD Project in our home, I can assure you that those discussions do not
show any sense of hatred.  There certainly is a sense of frustration at
times when their desires for BPBible do not match the desires of those
managing the release schedule of The SWORD Project - but I'm sure you would
understand that frustration as you clearly feel it in reverse.

I would be happier if some of the responses I have read on this forum had
been aimed more at building up God's people.  Some are delightfully
encouraging, but others are not.  I'm sorry to have to say this, and pray we
can do better in future.

I know nothing about those who work on Xiphos, but I hope the above shows
clearly that including BPBible in your criticisms was not well based in

May God continue to bless your work in this and the work of all who try to
help others read and live his word.

God bless.


"All I have seen teaches me to trust the creator for all I have not seen"
Ralph Waldo Emerson

"Have you not known? Have you not heard?  The LORD is the everlasting God,
the Creator of the ends of the earth.  He does not faint or grow weary;
his understanding is unsearchable." Isaiah 40:28
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