[sword-devel] news/crosswire organization

Peter von Kaehne refdoc at gmx.net
Thu Dec 11 15:08:39 MST 2008

Chris Little wrote:
> Peter von Kaehne wrote:
>> Chris Little wrote:
>>> I don't think 
>>> the news section belongs within the CrossWire site as opposed to the 
>>> Sword site (but we can discuss that in IRC). 
>> Strongly disagree - the news content goes already way beyond Sword,
>> includes Jsword, various front ends and more. Option one would be to
>> narrow it down to SWORD proper or option two - more naturally - is to
>> move it to CW and open it up a bit.
> I disagree entirely.


> ... and approximately 5% other news (site news, FlashCards news, etc.).

At which point it should be in CW. Or out.

> My take on CrossWire is that it basically consists of The SWORD Project, 
> FlashCards, (maybe) JSword, and hopefully some additional projects if 
> Troy can get people to actually volunteer. I say maybe JSword, because 
> that arguably falls under The SWORD Project--and I think it's to 
> everyone's advantage to simply ignore the underlying technology and 
> assume that it does. All of the frontends fall under The SWORD Project, 
> in terms of news. I don't really see an alternative perspective as to 
> what The SWORD Project _is_, if things like BT, GS, BibleCS, MacSword, 
> (possibly JSword, BD, etc.), and modules don't fall under the "The SWORD 
> Project" umbrella.

This is what I had been banging on for a few days now - the lack of
definition and clarity on separation of CW and Sword project.

There are two ways of looking at it - Sword Project narrow and wide

narrow - SWORD engine + JSword + modules + developer set up

wide - everything but flashcards, tesseract projects etc.

In absence of a response to several emails on this list I took in the
end a decision, which is obviously subject to being reversed again if
necessary. I favoured the narrow perspective. It makes more sense to me,
though obviously not to you.

> The same goes for making the Sword forums into the CrossWire forums, 
> which I've seen mentioned once or twice. I think that is a completely 
> wrong-headed idea. Absolutely none of the forums have anything to do 
> with anything other than The SWORD Project.

Narrow or wide? Narrow no. Wide yes.

> I don't think this aspect of re-organization achieves anything other 
> than to de-emphasize the news by putting it on a less prominent page and 
> to change from our more prominent brand "The SWORD Project" to a less 
> prominent one "The CrossWire Bible Society".

Which brand is more prominent from the outside? To state it bluntly
whenever I mention the SWORD project, people start talking through me
and ramble on about e-sword. When I mention CrossWire, they listen.

Wrt de-emphasizing - right now I think the website is slowly getting
into a place where it again emphasizes something other than that we are
probably dead. So, no I do not agree.

Anyway. My suggestion is that we tag the news in some form in the
database and allow several places to have news streams on display. I
guess that would satisfy everyone. Allow me a few more days.


More information about the sword-devel mailing list