[sword-devel] Distribution of CrossWire software
dmsmith555 at yahoo.com
Sun Feb 12 05:33:10 MST 2006
Here is yet another report of Sword distribution.
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [sword-support] Illegal selling of the sword project
> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:52:36 -0000
> From: la004g3874 <la004g3874 at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Reply-To: SWORD Support Volunteers <sword-support at crosswire.org>,
> la004g3874 at blueyonder.co.uk
> To: <sword-feedback at crosswire.org>
> Hello i would just like to inform you that many people are selling the
> sword project on ebay which i believe is illegal , unless these
> people have express permission from yourselves.i believe also the
> money they are bidding for the software - i have seen it sell for up
> to £6.00, which i feel would be better used donated to yourselves for
> future bible softwares - all the very best
Chris Little wrote:
> I don't really have a problem with the eBay guy. He's not doing much
> different from what Troy does by offering CDs from the website.
While I will grant that selling on ebay is not necessarily out of line
with the GPL, it may be out of line.
Also, is there a perception problem that needs to be managed?
And, when we get to 1.5.8, shouldn't these sellers stop selling 1.5.6?
> Think All is a different matter altogether. I had meant to contact
> them about a week ago and finally did so just now. Their copyright and
> license violations are numerous and extensive. I don't especially
> believe that they will agree to bring their distribution practice into
> conformance with the requirements of the law or with what they are
> permitted to do under the GPL. Actually doing so would void the
> profitability of what is essentially a scam. If they refuse to cease
> license violation, we will probably have to do what we must in order
> to stop their using our software to rip people off, potentially
> including, but not necessarily limited to, forcing a takedown under
> the DMCA for illegal sale of copyrighted works.
> DM Smith wrote:
>> What should/can we do? What is our *policy*?
>> In the last few days we have received several different emails to
>> sword-support at crosswire.org regarding an inability to use our
>> software or its distribution not directly from us. As I have just
>> joined sword-support to field JSword/BibleDesktop questions, so I
>> don't know if this is typical or not.
>> It was noted in 2 emails that the software was being offered for sale
>> on ebay.com. In another, it was being sold by thinkall.com. (I just
>> posted my response to that email to this mailing list) Another said
>> that the two Sword programs wouldn't start. I have asked for further
>> info, but I suspect that it was not downloaded directly from
>> crosswire.org. And another wanted to know why BibleDesktop didn't
>> work and a the church membership program required an unlock key.
>> Another was from an ebay user asking where is his purchase.
>> The GPL is really a license about the distribution of software and
>> it's code. It allows for reasonable recovery of costs associated with
>> packaging, and postage. But it also has lots of other requirements on
>> the one doing the distribution.
>> Anyway, I think it is inappropriate for others to distribute the
>> software over ebay (except perhaps as a "buy me now" for a few
>> dollars outside of the US). In the case of one seller on ebay, they
>> were selling it in UK, for a small amount and also stated that the
>> software is free software from Sword, though it was not in fine
>> print, it was toward the bottom of a long paragraph, so it probably
>> would not be seen.
>> In the case of thinkall, they distribute it under their own license
>> not the GPL. I think that this is a violation. And they package it in
>> such a way as to hide its origin.
>> In the other three cases, I have requested more information so we can
>> help them get the program up and running. And I pointed them to the
>> locations where they can download it for free.
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