[sword-devel] Accusations...

Patrick Durusau sword-devel@crosswire.org
Sun, 05 Jan 2003 17:24:08 -0500


Jonathan Hughes wrote:

>Hey Guys,
>	I think we need to be careful with how we react to this because we do
>not want to go on the offense and start attacking Larry Pierce or the
>Online Bible. That is not a Christ like response. We need to see what is
>really bothering Larry and company and see what we can do to alleviate
>the problems. It looks like Troy has already started to do this.
And the measure for a "Christ like response" is? Seems like I recall 
some story about Jesus driving money lenders from the temple with a whip.

If you want to find out what is bothering Larry, knock yourself out. For 
my part, I don't need to find out in order to know that his attacks on 
Troy are unwarranted. I am not even curious about whatever may have 
prompted the attack.

If rather than a web based attack on Troy and the Sword project, Larry 
communicated his concerns to Troy, we would be at a different point in 
this dicussion. My response, particularly to attacks on people who I 
know are doing good work with very little thanks, is the treat the 
source with all the consideration it is due.


>I have some questions for Troy or anyone that might know the answers
>(Chris?). I am trying to get a complete picture of this:
>Where did Larry get his works? 
>How did he get the NIV and NKJV, etc. in electronic form? 
>How did we get the tools to convert the OLB modules to SWORD modules?
>(We would have to know the format of the OLB modules to make a tool to
>convert between the two, how did we find out the OLB format)
>How did we get the modules if Troy never had the OLB CD? 
>As far as you know what modules did we convert from OLB modules?
>-Jonathan Hughes
>On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 03:31, Christian Renz wrote:
>>This info came just in via the support list (sorry for the full
>>quote, but I think not everybody is in that list):
>>On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 08:23:13PM -0600, Levey wrote:
>>>I have followed your work for years and occasionally look at your source or
>>>try one of your projects.  I used to mostly use the Online Bible, which you
>>>thanked in your online materials, and now mostly the eSword program.
>>>I was surprised then to find a "hall of shame" on their site listing you
>>>(and eSword) as villains who are stealing their work (
>>>http://www.onlinebible.net/hallofshame.html ).  What gives here?  I thought
>>>you had permission -- or none was needed -- to use their files.  Could you
>>>please comment on this.  They are using strong language towards you: "Sword
>>>Project. Troy blatantly lifted all the material from the Online Bible CD and
>>>then claimed it as public domain. We have a registered copyright with the
>>>Library of Congress which states otherwise. Troy is running a "Bible
>>>Society" founded on stolen material."
>>>Please give me your input on this.  I'm really surprised they have taken
>>>this stance.  So far as I know you do not distribute locked modules and are
>>>not a commercial enterprise.
>>>Thanks.  Paul Levey.
>>I guess it would be good to react to this _quickly_. Do we still have
>>a large number of modules created out of OLB sources? These days, most
>>files seem to be created out of electronic plain texts independent of
>>OLB, making the claim somewhat pointless. Or might they be referring
>>to the locked NIV etc. modules?
>>   Christian
>>crenz@web42.com - http://www.web42.com/crenz/ - http://www.web42.com/
>>"A man who gives in to temptation after five minutes simply does not
>>know what it would have been like an hour later. That is why bad
>>people, in one sense, know very little about badness. They have lived
>>a sheltered life by always giving in."  -- C.S. Lewis

Patrick Durusau