[osis-core] New milestone use of elements

Todd Tillinghast osis-core@bibletechnologieswg.org
Wed, 28 May 2003 14:43:57 -0600

The trouble with deferring the issue is that we have to pick either mID
or mS/mE for the immediate release.  By choosing an option it would seem
that we are also not diferring the issue.

Here is an example of my problem with not allowing there to be milestone
starts and ends without their partner.  If I want to create a document
that is just a single section and a quote starts in the previous section
then the previous section must also be included.  If a verse continues
from the section prior to the one already added then the preceding
section would also have to be included.  This can go on and on.  If I
know this is the end or starting milestone marker then I can also know
that the partner was truncated.

Perhaps, this should be one of the things indicated about an encoding
somewhere in the header.  (Unmatched milestone pairs are errors VS
Unmatched milestone pairs have had their partner truncated.)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: osis-core-admin@bibletechnologieswg.org [mailto:osis-core-
> admin@bibletechnologieswg.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Durusau
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 1:15 PM
> To: osis-core@bibletechnologieswg.org
> Subject: Re: [osis-core] New milestone use of elements
> Troy,
> This is the fragment issue. It is tough sledding and if anything, I
> think we need to address it in August, assuming we can be ready by
> Let's mark it as know issue.
> For the moment, I would say from an encoding standpoint that when you
> use the mID, you have to use matching elements with the same value for
> mID. Ducking the issue of querying b/c of the fragment question.
> Answering that requires a lot more than simply matching the milestone
> element.
> Note that Todd's proposal is not an answer either since getting mS or
> does not answer the question either. I need to know what mS that an mE
> is pointing towards, not merely that they match, since they could be
> over a text. Now we have the encoder using different attribute names
> pointing to other values, i.e, not the element they are on. Easier to
> off load this problem onto the application and not the encoding. see
> example: http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-fragment for how the W3C treats XML
> fragments.
> Patrick
> Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
> > ok, I know replying to myself is a little wierd, but after further
> > thinking....
> >
> > I understand the POSSIBILITY that there may be an excerpt with a
> > or end quote.  We probably should allow it.  If someone wanted the
> > last 10 verses of Jesus' Sermon On The Mount, I'd expect it to end
> > with a </q>
> >
> > BUT I still don't think we should allow a milestone without it's
> > start/end counterpart.  That's like saying we'd allow </q> without
> > <q>.
> >
> > I think we need to be hard and fast about the rule I stated earlier.
> >
> > So, thinking further.....
> >
> >
> > If I wanted to encode an excerpt that started in the middle of a
> > and contained the end of the quote.....
> >
> > How would I encode it????
> >
> > Let's not even think milestones here.  MILESTONES should not ADD
> > functionality... Like providing the ability to solve this
> >
> >
> > Would something like this be valid:
> >
> > <q type="continuation">....</q>
> >
> >
> > dunno the best way to solve it, but it should be solved the same
> > whether using an XML container or a milestone.
> >
> >     -Troy.
> >
> >
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