[sword-devel] NASB

Wed Feb 22 15:55:24 MST 2017

Yes sir, I forgive you, and can see how easily this could have been
misunderstood. I didn't intend on the dual conversation all in one thread,
I didn't expect the public domain question to be as extensive as it became.
I've not made any indication that I might freely distribute the NASB, nor
am I under the impression that it is public domain- hence the need for
permission.

Entirely unrelated to distributing NASB, I was asking about public domain
source texts, BDB and Thayer for example. Some of the responses I've
received regarding public domain module conversion has seemed a little
confusing. As I understand the most recent statement of policy to be is
that I need two specific things: Express written permission from the
copyright holder, as well as source data from the same party. Now the
confusion I run into is how that can apply to a public domain resource.
Likewise, aside from CCEL, by what authority can I verify that a public
domain resource is valid and acceptable?

Please forgive my ignorance here, and thank you for your patience. Being
new to the Crosswire scene and with a desire to do things right, I do need
a little assistance. Could you point me to a reliable resource that I can
use to find out who the copyright owners are for public domain resource, in
order to request permission to distribute? I'm not asking you to do the leg
work for me, but perhaps to simply recommend a reliable resource for
finding what I need. I seem to misunderstand what is meant by public domain
when referenced on the Crosswire wiki. I had always thought something along
the lines that any work published prior to 1923, with no copyright renewal,
was able to be freely reproduced without permission of any kind.

Again, thank you for the help here. I'm hoping to see clearly soon.

Oh and on another note, the webpage I linked to earlier for the book By
Foot To China, I have been granted permission by that copyright owner as
well, in this case, for free distribution. (Please let's start a fresh
thread if this book needs forget discussion to prevent more confusion)

Blessings y'all!
With joy in the Lord,
Matt

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017, 2:51 PM Troy A. Griffitts <scribe at crosswire.org>
wrote:

> Matt,
>
> A couple things.  I think What Jonathon and others on here are saying is,
> that over 30 years doing this stuff, we've learned that the ONLY source
> that is reliable to both: obtain the data for a Bible, and to obtain
> permission to host a Bible, is the actual owner / copyright holder.
>
> We have run into many issue over the years and been threatened and asked
> to remove modules (sometimes by people who were on shaky ground for
> claiming a legitimate copyright).  Our policy is from experience and a
> desire to be upright regarding both the transmission of a faithful text and
> legal distribution of the same.
>
> So, our policy has come to this: We will neither distribute nor be
> associated with any repository which distributes modules which do not
> follow these two principles: Clear distribution permission obtained
> straight from the one who has authority to grant such permission
> distribution; and the use of source data for the module obtained from the
> same-- from the authorized distribution source, not exported from another
> source and reimported into SWORD format (unless that is what the authorized
> source has given us, e.g., Paratext).
>
> Thus, you say you have permission to publish a freely redistributable
> SWORD module of the NASB.  I'm sure we would welcome that but I think we
> are all skeptical that you obtained this permission and the data to use for
> conversion from Lockman.  Please forgive me for doubting if I am wrong.
>
> Troy
>
>
>
>
> On 02/22/2017 01:33 PM, Matt Zabojnik wrote:
>
> I apologize for the confusion here, this really should have been two
> threads, as two conversations are occurring simultaneously.
> I have permission in regards to NASB.
>
> On the other hand, what started as a simple question about declaring PD
> sources ended up commanding the direction of the thread.
>
> I think I may be misunderstanding you though on your statement about
> copyright statements being inaccurate if not declared by the parties you
> named. Now I think you're saying that it's your *working assumption*,
> which I think to mean that it's a safe place to work from, and not that you
> mean that they are the only trustworthy authority on a copyright statement.
> Did I understand you correctly?
>
> Thanks for all the swift input, everyone. This has been rich.
>
> Blessings,
> Matt
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 1:08 PM, jonathon <jonathon.blake at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> On 02/21/2017 11:37 PM, Matt Zabojnik wrote:
>
> > know, I have no awareness of any sort of situation relating to the
> matter.
>
> Let's put it this way: Other than official resources distributed by
> authorized agents of _The Sword Project_, _Accordance_, _BibleWorks_,
> and _Logos Library Systems_ (I've forgotten what they changed their name
> to), my working assumption is that the copyright data on any resource
> is, at best, inaccurate.
>
> In all instances it is mandatory to do due diligence.
> Obtain permission in writing. Corporate letterhead signed by the party
> that is authorized to give permission to third parties to utilize the
> material elsewhere, with the letter stating precisely what permissions
> are being given, and what the limitations on those permissions are.
>
> All of which is a round about way of saying your PD NASB either is not
> what it purports to be --- the NASB --- or else has been relicensed by
> somebody who lacked the legal authorization to do so, or neither the
> NASB, and was relicensed by somebody who lacked the legal authorization
> to do so.
>
> jonathon
>
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