<p dir="ltr">Yes sir, I forgive you, and can see how easily this could have been misunderstood. I didn't intend on the dual conversation all in one thread, I didn't expect the public domain question to be as extensive as it became. I've not made any indication that I might freely distribute the NASB, nor am I under the impression that it is public domain- hence the need for permission.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Entirely unrelated to distributing NASB, I was asking about public domain source texts, BDB and Thayer for example. Some of the responses I've received regarding public domain module conversion has seemed a little confusing. As I understand the most recent statement of policy to be is that I need two specific things: Express written permission from the copyright holder, as well as source data from the same party. Now the confusion I run into is how that can apply to a public domain resource. Likewise, aside from CCEL, by what authority can I verify that a public domain resource is valid and acceptable?</p>
<p dir="ltr">Please forgive my ignorance here, and thank you for your patience. Being new to the Crosswire scene and with a desire to do things right, I do need a little assistance. Could you point me to a reliable resource that I can use to find out who the copyright owners are for public domain resource, in order to request permission to distribute? I'm not asking you to do the leg work for me, but perhaps to simply recommend a reliable resource for finding what I need. I seem to misunderstand what is meant by public domain when referenced on the Crosswire wiki. I had always thought something along the lines that any work published prior to 1923, with no copyright renewal, was able to be freely reproduced without permission of any kind.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Again, thank you for the help here. I'm hoping to see clearly soon.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Oh and on another note, the webpage I linked to earlier for the book By Foot To China, I have been granted permission by that copyright owner as well, in this case, for free distribution. (Please let's start a fresh thread if this book needs forget discussion to prevent more confusion)<br></p>
<p dir="ltr">Blessings y'all!<br>
With joy in the Lord,<br>
Matt<br>
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<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Feb 22, 2017, 2:51 PM Troy A. Griffitts <<a href="mailto:scribe@crosswire.org">scribe@crosswire.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="gmail_msg">Matt,</p>
<p class="gmail_msg">A couple things. I think What Jonathon and others on here are
saying is, that over 30 years doing this stuff, we've learned that
the ONLY source that is reliable to both: obtain the data for a
Bible, and to obtain permission to host a Bible, is the actual
owner / copyright holder. <br class="gmail_msg">
</p>
<p class="gmail_msg">We have run into many issue over the years and been threatened
and asked to remove modules (sometimes by people who were on shaky
ground for claiming a legitimate copyright). Our policy is from
experience and a desire to be upright regarding both the
transmission of a faithful text and legal distribution of the
same.<br class="gmail_msg">
</p>
<p class="gmail_msg">So, our policy has come to this: We will neither distribute nor
be associated with any repository which distributes modules which
do not follow these two principles: Clear distribution permission
obtained straight from the one who has authority to grant such
permission distribution; and the use of source data for the module
obtained from the same-- from the authorized distribution source,
not exported from another source and reimported into SWORD format
(unless that is what the authorized source has given us, e.g.,
Paratext).<br class="gmail_msg">
</p>
<p class="gmail_msg">Thus, you say you have permission to publish a freely
redistributable SWORD module of the NASB. I'm sure we would
welcome that but I think we are all skeptical that you obtained
this permission and the data to use for conversion from Lockman.
Please forgive me for doubting if I am wrong.</p></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class="gmail_msg">
<p class="gmail_msg">Troy<br class="gmail_msg">
</p></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class="gmail_msg">
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<div class="m_8234619099106283192moz-cite-prefix gmail_msg">On 02/22/2017 01:33 PM, Matt Zabojnik
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg">I apologize for the confusion here, this really
should have been two threads, as two conversations are occurring
simultaneously.
<div class="gmail_msg">I have permission in regards to NASB.</div>
<div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg">
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<div class="gmail_msg">On the other hand, what started as a simple question about
declaring PD sources ended up commanding the direction of the
thread.</div>
<div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg">
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">I think I may be misunderstanding you though on your
statement about copyright statements being inaccurate if not
declared by the parties you named. Now I think you're saying
that it's your <i class="gmail_msg">working assumption</i>, which I think to
mean that it's a safe place to work from, and not that you
mean that they are the only trustworthy authority on a
copyright statement. Did I understand you correctly?</div>
<div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg">
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">Thanks for all the swift input, everyone. This has been
rich.</div>
<div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg">
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">Blessings,</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">Matt</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg">On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 1:08 PM,
jonathon <span dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:jonathon.blake@gmail.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">jonathon.blake@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br class="gmail_msg">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="gmail_msg">On 02/21/2017 11:37 PM, Matt Zabojnik wrote:<br class="gmail_msg">
<br class="gmail_msg">
> know, I have no awareness of any sort of situation
relating to the matter.<br class="gmail_msg">
<br class="gmail_msg">
</span>Let's put it this way: Other than official resources
distributed by<br class="gmail_msg">
authorized agents of _The Sword Project_, _Accordance_,
_BibleWorks_,<br class="gmail_msg">
and _Logos Library Systems_ (I've forgotten what they
changed their name<br class="gmail_msg">
to), my working assumption is that the copyright data on any
resource<br class="gmail_msg">
is, at best, inaccurate.<br class="gmail_msg">
<br class="gmail_msg">
In all instances it is mandatory to do due diligence.<br class="gmail_msg">
Obtain permission in writing. Corporate letterhead signed by
the party<br class="gmail_msg">
that is authorized to give permission to third parties to
utilize the<br class="gmail_msg">
material elsewhere, with the letter stating precisely what
permissions<br class="gmail_msg">
are being given, and what the limitations on those
permissions are.<br class="gmail_msg">
<br class="gmail_msg">
All of which is a round about way of saying your PD NASB
either is not<br class="gmail_msg">
what it purports to be --- the NASB --- or else has been
relicensed by<br class="gmail_msg">
somebody who lacked the legal authorization to do so, or
neither the<br class="gmail_msg">
NASB, and was relicensed by somebody who lacked the legal
authorization<br class="gmail_msg">
to do so.<br class="gmail_msg">
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