[sword-devel] BibleTime Windows and Mac packages

DM Smith dmsmith at crosswire.org
Sat Apr 18 06:06:36 MST 2009

On Apr 18, 2009, at 8:48 AM, Jeremy Erickson wrote:

> I noticed you mentioned that the bundle didn't include package  
> frameworks.  We
> should be consulting http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/deployment- 
> mac.html for Mac
> deployment best practices.  I haven't tried the Mac deployment tool;  
> that may
> be the easiest approach.
> In BibleMemorizer, I followed the steps described in the document for
> including frameworks in the bundle, except that I wrote a script
> (osx-bundle-prepare.pl) that automated the process.  The script is  
> very
> BibleMemorizer specific, but you could modify it fairly easily for  
> BibleTime.
> Feel free to get it from the latest source distribution of  
> BibleMemorizer and
> reuse it with modifications.

If I understand the doc, you use a "private framework"? I like this as  
it allows for the simple drag-and-drop installation that Mac users  

-- DM

> On Saturday 18 April 2009 7:34:01 am DM Smith wrote:
>> Regarding Mac, here is my experience (pretending to be a typical Mac
>> user):
>> 1) The installer was a surprise. I did not expect a pkg installer but
>> rather I expected to have an app wrapped in a dmg that I would drag  
>> to
>> the location of my choice. This is what both Bible Desktop and Mac
>> Sword have. This kind of installer is not at all typical for a Mac
>> user. I see it for things like MacOffice, Adobe Photoshop, EA games
>> and other stuff from very well known vendors. It makes me wonder
>> whether I want to install at all as it gives away root access to my
>> machine, making me suspicious of a Trojan. Though I know you guys and
>> am not suspicious, I am curious as to what is being installed that
>> requires root access.
>> 2) The installer is English only. The typical "drag app to
>> Applications" installer does not need translations and can be  
>> entirely
>> graphical.
>> 3) The installer is incomplete (but you knew that).  Just a comment
>> regarding the accepting of the license. While it is not present and
>> you still have to click through, the GPL license does not have to be
>> accepted by the user for the user to use the program. GPL programs  
>> are
>> one where the user does not have to "agree" with the terms and the
>> conditions of the GPL in order to use an application governed by it.
>> The license page should be change to have a continue button or to
>> continue when the user clicks "I don't agree". IIRC, there is a
>> requirement to present the GPL to the user. Clicking on disagree
>> closes the installer.
>> 4) If it weren't for Manfred's comment that it is in /usr, I wouldn't
>> have found it at all. However, I cannot see or otherwise get to it in
>> Finder at all. Seems like /usr is hidden from view in Finder. When I
>> click on "Macintosh HD" in the Finder, I only see: Applications,
>> Library, System and Users. I also looked using Spotlight and couldn't
>> find it. I had to open Terminal to find it.
>> 5) Having found it I have know idea how to run it. Since I can't get
>> to it in Finder, I can't execute it. From terminal one cannot run an
>> app as the app is nothing more than a folder. No normal Mac user will
>> ever use the Terminal to do anything. Not being a normal Mac user, I
>> finally moved it /Applications where it can be seen by Spotlight, my
>> preferred way of launching programs, and by Finder.
>> 6) I then ran it via Spotlight (again my preferred method of starting
>> programs). And it crashed.
>> 7) I want to do a clean uninstall, but I can't. I tried running the
>> installer a second time, but it did not give me an option to
>> uninstall. So, I went into terminal again and searched for all files
>> and folders that had been modified in the last day. I had expected
>> that the pkg installer had installed other stuff, but it was only
>> bibletime.app. Whew! So I dragged it to the trash.
>> Here is the crash report:
>> Process:         bibletime [55969]
>> Path:            /Applications/bibletime.app/Contents/MacOS/bibletime
>> Identifier:      bibletime
>> Version:         ??? (???)
>> Code Type:       X86 (Native)
>> Parent Process:  launchd [151]
>> Date/Time:       2009-04-18 07:20:50.520 -0400
>> OS Version:      Mac OS X 10.5.6 (9G55)
>> Report Version:  6
>> Exception Type:  EXC_BREAKPOINT (SIGTRAP)
>> Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000002, 0x0000000000000000
>> Crashed Thread:  0
>> Dyld Error Message:
>>   Library not loaded: /opt/local/Library/Frameworks/QtSvg.framework/
>> Versions/4/QtSvg
>>   Referenced from: /Applications/bibletime.app/Contents/MacOS/ 
>> bibletime
>>   Reason: image not found
>> My /opt is empty. As my machine is not a development machine, just a
>> vanilla user's machine, I'll probably won't install anything in /opt.
>> That /opt is there is an artifact from a long time ago, when I did.
>> I suggest that you install QT inside the bundle, if at all possible.
>> And that you create a simple dmg drag and drop installer and not a  
>> pkg
>> installer.
>> Hope this helps,
>> 	DM
>> On Apr 18, 2009, at 3:03 AM, Eeli Kaikkonen wrote:
>>> I forward this from bt-devel because some people here might be
>>> interested on Windows and Mac binaries (see 2) and 3) below) of
>>> BibleTime.
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: [bt-devel] CPack and other patches
>>> Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:17:14 -0500
>>> From: Greg Hellings <greg.hellings at gmail.com>
>>> Reply-To: BibleTime development <bt-devel at crosswire.org>
>>> To: BibleTime development <bt-devel at crosswire.org>
>>> On http://www.crosswire.org/~ghellings/bibletime you should be able
>>> now to find the following files:
>>> 1) Bt-with-Qt4.5.zip - a file which consists of all my BibleTime  
>>> build
>>> directories from Windows.  You can unzip it into, e.g.,
>>> C:\Bt-with-Qt4.5 (where I had it), run CMake across the bibletime- 
>>> svn
>>> and bibletime-build directories, then open Bibletime\Bibletime.sln  
>>> and
>>> things should build for you.  YMMV, but I'll try to help out as much
>>> as possible.  You'll need your own build of Qt in order for this to
>>> work.  Please let me know of problems you have, including if I'm
>>> breaking GPL/LGPL licenses with it, but I think all the sources for
>>> everything but Qt are included.  You'll still need to set a few
>>> environment variables before running CMake: QTDIR needs to point to
>>> the root of the Qt build you're using and BOOST_ROOT to the base of
>>> the boost_1_38_0\ directory under this unpackaged folder.
>>> 2) bibletime-2.0.0alpha3-win32.exe - an installer, built with CPack,
>>> that should install everything needed for users of BibleTime on
>>> Windows.  Again, YMMV, but I've actually tested it, this time, on my
>>> XP virtual machine and everything installs and runs.  I'm not able  
>>> to
>>> get the SVG files running on XP, but there is a QtSvg4.dll and
>>> QtSvgd4.dll in the 4.5.0 build -- getting those linked in properly  
>>> (I
>>> modified CMakeLists.txt to link in the SVG libraries, but I they  
>>> don't
>>> seem to be used) might solve our issue of that display.
>>> 3) bibletime-2.0.0alpha3-Darwin.dmg - an installer I built, also  
>>> with
>>> CPack, as a first attempt at getting the system to operate as it is
>>> supposed to.  If someone with a non-development Mac could test it  
>>> out
>>> and give feedback, it'd be great to help me in figuring out exactly
>>> what libraries are needed in the install pack.
>>> 4) CMake.diff -- a patch file that makes all the above possible.  It
>>> includes the patches that make this possible and I've tested them on
>>> both Windows and Macintosh.
>>> Any feedback from others?  We can certainly extend the CPack  
>>> material
>>> to cover other package systems.  It'd be nice to hear if I'm chasing
>>> shadows or if this is a good direction for me to pursue.  I got no
>>> feedback on the patch I posted here yesterday that dealt with all  
>>> the
>>> issues except for the CPack.  The patch in there now includes the  
>>> one
>>> from yesterday with a few fixes.
>>> --Greg
>>> --Greg
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> bt-devel mailing list
>>> bt-devel at crosswire.org
>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/bt-devel
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org
>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel
>>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
>> _______________________________________________
>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org
>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel
>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
> _______________________________________________
> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org
> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel
> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page

More information about the sword-devel mailing list