[sword-devel] Web Interface

Don A. Elbourne Jr. sword-devel@crosswire.org
Sat, 22 Feb 2003 20:59:49 -0600


I'm not a big fan of JavaScript. I try to avoid it wherever possible, but
like you said, we may want some features that require it.  You mentioned
hover popups for strongs numbers. One option here instead of JavaScript
would be to use the "title" attribute of the href tag. I created a little
one verse demo:

Do you mean something like that? I'm pretty sure all modern browsers support
the title mouseover thing, but I'm not 100% positive. Does it work on
Ns/Linux? It works on Mozilla/Win and IE 6. BTW, The links on the demo go
nowhere. I'm assuming we would have them go to a page with the
dictionary/lexicon definitions and/or a concordance type listing of other
occurrences of the same word.

by grace alone,

Don A. Elbourne Jr.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Troy A. Griffitts" <scribe@crosswire.org>
To: <sword-devel@crosswire.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

> Wow, thanks for all the traffic!
> I'm still really looking for user interface ideas (thanks for the ones
> that have been expressed).  The calls to get the data from sword will be
> dependent on the dynamic server-side mechanism used; coming up with an
> easy access mechanism to the sword engine from an httpd plugin is a
> separate issue.  (Joe, jsword is an option to solve this problem if jsp
> is the httpd plugin, but I'm not quite sure jsword is there yet, and if
> I'm wrong, I'm pretty sure the sword-like api interface isn't close,
> right?).
> I definitely understand the point about not using stuff that will make
> the tool inaccessible to some.  There are many sites that I can't go to
> just because I run NS on Linux!
> BUT, I want cool functionality for those who have it, so we will
> probably have an option that can be toggled.  For example, I want hover
> popup help for strongs numbers.  Not sure how else to do that without
> javascript (WHAT IS ECMAScript?).
> Agreed, no frames.
> OK, any user interface design ideas?  I'd love to see a mockup that
> anyone feels inspired to throw together.
> -Troy.
> Hugo van der Kooij wrote:
> > On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 YTang0648@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >
> >>In a message dated 2/22/2003 8:08:24 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> >>infoChi@infomagic.net writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>>PHP is given out free, the same GPL style as we have but different,
> >>>are many details to it. PHP is made for many different types of servers
> >>>is very common.
> >>
> >>A browser which support ECMAScript/JavaScript which called Mozilla is
> >>given out free, a different open source license, MPL,  is with it.
Mozilla is
> >>made for many different types of client OS and is very common too. And
> >>it, Netscape7, AOL, CompuServ, IE , Opera, Phoneix, Chimera, Safari ALSO
> >>support JavaScript, CSS and DOM
> >>
> >>And if people still concern about using ECMAScript/JavaScript in the web
> >>interface because the browser they use is lack of the standard support,
I am
> >>not sure people will happe with php since there are even no standard for
> >>
> >>I am not agaist the use of php. I am simply against the "no JavaScript
> >>please" because my browser do not support it request.
> >>
> >>Which TEXT based browser do not support JavaScript?
> >
> >
> > It seems you are not entirely informed. PHP can be completely
> > Wether or not valid HTML/XHTML/.... is generated is the programmers
> > responsibility.
> >
> > But javascript is not an option for anyone using any of the following
> > browsers:
> >  - Lynx
> >  - w3m
> >  - links
> >
> > Beyond that I see no point in adding javascript when all issues can be
> > handled very well without them.
> >
> > We want to be accessible to all. While a text browser works for blind
> > using a brialle ruler, using frames and/or javascript makes it
> > inaccessable to them.
> >
> > Hugo.
> >
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