[sword-devel] Searching and copyrights.

Jeremy Bettis sword-devel@crosswire.org
Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:30:48 -0500


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I am not suggesting that there be a STEP to sword module conversion
tool, but that the end user could just specify the path to their STEP
format bibles and those would be read as they are.  The user could
choose to break their license agreement and distribute the STEP files,
but they can do that now. =20


--
Jeremy Bettis, Software Development Manager
HKS Medical Information Systems, Inc.
jeremyb@hksys.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Glassey [mailto:danglassey@ntlworld.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 10:58 AM
> To: sword-devel@crosswire.org
> Subject: RE: [sword-devel] Searching and copyrights.
>=20
> just another couple of things to throw in:
>=20
> it generally says in any license that you get with software like this
that
> the license does not
> allow you to reverse engineer it.
>=20
> This stuff means afaict that you cannot legally write an importer
using
> information gained
> from looking at the data of these programs.
>=20
> Things like STEP and OSIS are a different matter since they have
been/will
> be published,
> but a legal importer will not be written for any of these other
programs -
> otoh if you can
> export text from these programs you can create your own personal, not
for
> redistribution,
> module from it (assuming that is covered by fair use - ianal).
>=20
> To summarise, it is extremely unlikely that sword will support reading
or
> converting the
> formats of other programs - unless they give their permission.
>=20
> Regards,
> d
>=20
> On 16 Jul 2002 at 8:21, Daniel Adams - infoChi sent forth the message:
>=20
> > I will respond with the curiosity question of if sword is going to
be
> made
> > to read other formats which is a wish list item in my opinion, what
> about
> > Bible Explorer files.
> >
> > In Him,
> > Daniel Adams - infoChi@infomagic.net
> > http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~dpa3
> >
> >   1 Peter 4:10 (NIV)-  Each one should use whatever gift he has
received
> to
> > serve others, faithfully administering God's grace in its various
forms.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org
> > [mailto:owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org]On Behalf Of Jeremy Bettis
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 7:53 AM
> > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org
> > Subject: RE: [sword-devel] Searching and copyrights.
> >
> >
> > > Could we eventually get copyright holders (NIV, NASB, etc.) to
market
> > > Sword
> > > for us and cover all the issues relating to module distribution
and
> > > royalty
> > > payment, etc.?  If Sword were so polished, we could go to these
> companies
> > > (I won't make moral statements as to the right to hold these
> licenses),
> > >  and we could get them their own modules, with all the bells and
> whistles.
> > >  They could sell the modules at any price that they thought was
fair,
> but
> > > they would be so inclined to distribute Sword with it because
there
> would
> > > be nothing better.
> >
> >
> > Could sword be augmented to read the file formats of some of the
> existing
> > Bible software out there?  Here is what I mean:
> > * I see the major strength of Sword to be the vast number of
> translations,
> > commentaries and lexicons that can be used at once and cross
referenced.
> > * I don't really see "free" as the most important issue here
> > * Zondervan made available (for a while at least) a free download of
a
> NIV
> > bible in their Zondervan Reference Software package.
> > * If sword could read ZRS files, then I could use a legal NIV along
with
> the
> > many public translations that are on the sword web site.
> > Now I understand that ZRS is a complex file format, and probably
secret.
> (I
> > havn't been able to figure it out with just a quick look).  But you
can
> > purchase bible texts in the STEP format (is that the right abbr?),
which
> is
> > well documented.
> >
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I am not suggesting that there be a STEP to sword =
module conversion tool, but that the end user could just specify the =
path to their STEP format bibles and those would be read as they =
are.&nbsp; The user could choose to break their license agreement and =
distribute the STEP files, but they can do that now.&nbsp; </FONT></P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>--</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Jeremy Bettis, Software Development Manager</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>HKS Medical Information Systems, Inc.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>jeremyb@hksys.com</FONT>
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<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; -----Original Message-----</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; From: Daniel Glassey [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:danglassey@ntlworld.com">mailto:danglassey@ntlworld.com</A=
>]</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 10:58 AM</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; To: sword-devel@crosswire.org</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Subject: RE: [sword-devel] Searching and =
copyrights.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; just another couple of things to throw =
in:</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; it generally says in any license that you get =
with software like this that</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; the license does not</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; allow you to reverse engineer it.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; This stuff means afaict that you cannot legally =
write an importer using</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; information gained</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; from looking at the data of these =
programs.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Things like STEP and OSIS are a different matter =
since they have been/will</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; be published,</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; but a legal importer will not be written for any =
of these other programs -</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; otoh if you can</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; export text from these programs you can create =
your own personal, not for</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; redistribution,</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; module from it (assuming that is covered by fair =
use - ianal).</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; To summarise, it is extremely unlikely that =
sword will support reading or</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; converting the</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; formats of other programs - unless they give =
their permission.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Regards,</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; d</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; On 16 Jul 2002 at 8:21, Daniel Adams - infoChi =
sent forth the message:</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; I will respond with the curiosity question =
of if sword is going to be</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; made</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; to read other formats which is a wish list =
item in my opinion, what</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; about</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Bible Explorer files.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; In Him,</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Daniel Adams - infoChi@infomagic.net</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; <A =
HREF=3D"http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~dpa3">http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~dpa3</A><=
/FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 Peter 4:10 (NIV)-&nbsp; Each =
one should use whatever gift he has received</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; to</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; serve others, faithfully administering =
God's grace in its various forms.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; -----Original Message-----</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; From: =
owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org">mailto:owner-sword-devel@=
crosswire.org</A>]On Behalf Of Jeremy Bettis</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 7:53 AM</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; To: sword-devel@crosswire.org</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Subject: RE: [sword-devel] Searching and =
copyrights.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; &gt; Could we eventually get copyright =
holders (NIV, NASB, etc.) to market</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; &gt; Sword</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; &gt; for us and cover all the issues =
relating to module distribution and</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; &gt; royalty</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; &gt; payment, etc.?&nbsp; If Sword were so =
polished, we could go to these</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; companies</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; &gt; (I won't make moral statements as to =
the right to hold these</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; licenses),</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp; and we could get them their own =
modules, with all the bells and</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; whistles.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp; They could sell the modules at =
any price that they thought was fair,</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; but</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; &gt; they would be so inclined to =
distribute Sword with it because there</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; would</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; &gt; be nothing better.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Could sword be augmented to read the file =
formats of some of the</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; existing</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Bible software out there?&nbsp; Here is =
what I mean:</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; * I see the major strength of Sword to be =
the vast number of</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; translations,</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; commentaries and lexicons that can be used =
at once and cross referenced.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; * I don't really see &quot;free&quot; as =
the most important issue here</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; * Zondervan made available (for a while at =
least) a free download of a</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; NIV</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; bible in their Zondervan Reference Software =
package.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; * If sword could read ZRS files, then I =
could use a legal NIV along with</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; the</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; many public translations that are on the =
sword web site.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Now I understand that ZRS is a complex file =
format, and probably secret.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; (I</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; havn't been able to figure it out with just =
a quick look).&nbsp; But you can</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; purchase bible texts in the STEP format (is =
that the right abbr?), which</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; is</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; well documented.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
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