[sword-devel] Paul's epistles
Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:25:11 +0800
On Monday 14 January 2002 21:02, chris wrote:
> On Monday 14 January 2002 06:49, you wrote:
>> On Sunday 13 January 2002 10:00, chris wrote:
>>>>> Yes, It would seem even jes-s supposedly did.
>> Odd. Hyphenating jes-s after the reverent fashion of a Messianic Jew but
>> apparently not convinced that Messiah is Messiah, as foretold. Please
> I am converting to become a Jew and it is very common for Jews not to spell
> out the names of pagan gods. And NO I do not believe that jes-s is the
Hmm... I guess you'd onkly be interested in OT modules then. I've always
wondered, who does someone in your situation identify as the beaten, bruised,
plain-looking and murdered but peaceful servant/saviour of Isaiah 53
(referred to in 1Peter 2:24, quoted here from the KJV):
Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry
ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is
no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected of men; a
man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces
from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our
griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of
God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised
for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his
stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned
every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us
all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he
is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is
dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from
judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the
land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. And
he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he
had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the
LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul
an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and
the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the
travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my
righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore
will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil
with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was
numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made
intercession for the transgressors.
>>> As this is the sword-devel list I do not wish to get into a argument
>>> over this. I was merely pointing out some well known facts.
>> In other words, hit-and-run point-making? If they're so well known as
>> facts, why has debate ensued?
> Sorry, I thought that pilate being quite ruthless and not having that
> particular custom was well known.
Ruthless, yes, but not totally, and politically he did have some clues.
Washing his hands of Jesus was a believable attempt at compromise, pacifying
one band the irate locals without a potentially offensive (to other locals)
Is it possible that this information is only ``well-known'' with certain
It has the ring of one of those assumed-truth arguments, the ``but of
course'' or ``as everyone knows'' throwaway. I'd check, if I were you.