[osis-core] Re: OSIS Encoding of SIL Translator's Notes for 2Tim.1.1

Jim_Albright at wycliffe.org Jim_Albright at wycliffe.org
Mon Jan 3 20:25:16 MST 2005


I like that you have 
>    <div type="main">
>       <div type="section">
>          <div type="paragraph">
>             <div type="verseFragment"
>                <div type="verseFragment2">
in your example.

However I have not found verseFragment as an allowed type in OSIS. I hope 
that OSIS adds it.


Jim Albright
704 843-0582
Wycliffe Bible Translators






"Todd Tillinghast" <todd at contentframeworks.com>
09/16/2004 01:06 PM

 
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        cc:     <Jeff_Gayle at sil.org>, <Larry_Waswick at sil.org>, 
<Jim_Albright at wycliffe.org>, "Dennis Drescher" <dennis_drescher at sil.org>
        Subject:        OSIS Encoding of SIL Translator's Notes for 2Tim.1.1


Jim and OSIS Core,

>From an OSIS perspective I think this is a great example/test case for
marking up "commentaries".  Please let me know if you have any comments
regarding how I marked this up.

I have attached what I believe is a solid OSIS encoding of the text you
sent.

Having the Word version of the document was helpful in sorting out the
intent, (I had if from an earlier exchange with Larry Waswick).  You may
want to post the 2 pages that are in the example you posted so the rest
of the group can see where you started.

Please look at the comments in the attached XML encoding.

Todd

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim_Albright at wycliffe.org [mailto:Jim_Albright at wycliffe.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:55 AM
> To: osis-user at whi.wts.edu
> Cc: Jeff_Gayle at sil.org
> Subject: Re: [osis-user] catchWord
> 
> I made some changes to text  ... now using milestone for verse number.
> Removed 'citedText'.
> I am open to suggestions on what OSIS should look like for this text.
> Question: should I change the c-Implied to
> <seg type="supplied">
> Question: Is it required to change quote markers to <q>?
> Question: If above is true how about in cases where the quote marks
mark
> something other than speech?
> 
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> <document>
>    <div type="main">
>       <title>TRANSLATOR'S NOTES ON 2 TIMOTHY</title>
>       <div type="section">
>          <title>Section 1:1-2  Paul sent greetings to Timothy</title>
>          <p>The people who wrote letters during the time when Paul
lived
> began the letters that they wrote in a certain way. The author of a
letter
> wrote his name first, and then he wrote the name of the person to whom
he
> was writing the letter. After that, he wrote a greeting to the person
or
> group to whom he was writing.</p>
>          <div type="paragraph">
>             <title>Paragraph 1:1-2</title>
>             <div type="verseFragment"
> osisID="TranslatorsNotes:2Tim.1.1!a">
>                <title>1:1a</title>
>                <div type="verseFragment2">
>                   <title>Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus:</title>
>                   <p> Paul began this letter to Timothy by stating his
own
> name first. Then he said something about himself. In some languages,
it is
> not natural or possible for a person to talk about himself using the
third
> person. You may not be able to say, "This letter is from Paul, an
apostle
> of Christ Jesus." If this is the case in your language, you can say
> something like:</p>
>                   <p type="example">
>                      <c-Implied>This letter is from me,</c-Implied>
>        Paul.
>       <c-Implied>I am</c-Implied>
>        an apostle of Christ Jesus.</p>
>                   <p type="example">
>                      <c-Implied>I,</c-Implied>
>        Paul,
>       <c-Implied>am writing this letter. I am</c-Implied>
>        an apostle of Christ Jesus.</p>
>                   <div type="verseFragment3">
>                      <title>an apostle of Christ Jesus:</title>
>                      <p> The word <c-mentioned>apostle</c-mentioned>
means
> "a person whom someone has sent to do a specific job on behalf of that
> sender." In 1:1, Paul said that Christ Jesus personally chose and sent
him
> to be his ambassador or messenger of the gospel to other people. Paul
was
> to represent Christ Jesus to others. See
> <x-SeeInGlossary>apostle</x-SeeInGlossary> in the Glossary.</p>
>                      <div type="verseFramgent4">
>                         <title>Christ Jesus:</title>
>                         <p> The word <c-mentioned>Christ</c-mentioned>
is
> used two ways in the New Testament. In the Gospels,
> <c-mentioned>Christ</c-mentioned> is a title for Jesus. It means "the
> anointed one." But later when Paul and the other apostles and
disciples
> wrote the letters to individuals and churches, the word
> <c-mentioned>Christ</c-mentioned> was used as another name for Jesus
> rather than as a title.</p>
>                         <p>Notice that in this verse Paul referred to
> <c-mentioned>Jesus</c-mentioned> as <c-mentioned>Christ
> Jesus</c-mentioned> instead of "Jesus Christ." The names
> <c-mentioned>Christ Jesus</c-mentioned> and "Jesus Christ" mean the
same
> thing. In most English translations and other national language
> translations, "Jesus Christ" and "Christ Jesus" are translated
literally
> and in the same order as they occur in the Greek manuscripts. It is
> recommended that you do the same thing. However, if you think that the
> people who will be reading your translation might be confused when
they
> see two different word orders of the names, you may decide to
translate
> <c-mentioned>Christ Jesus</c-mentioned> as "Jesus Christ," which is
the
> more familiar word order. See also
> <x-SeeInGlossary>Christ</x-SeeInGlossary> in the Glossary.</p>
>                      </div>
>                   </div>
>                </div>
>                <div type="verseFragment2">
>                   <title>by the will of God:</title>
>                   <p> The phrase <c-mentioned>by the will of
> God</c-mentioned> means that "God wanted Paul to be an apostle." Paul
> himself did not decide to become an apostle. Another way of describing
> <c-mentioned>the will of God</c-mentioned> is to say that "God choose
Paul
> to be an apostle."</p>
>                </div>
>             </div>
>             <div type="verseFragment"
> osisID="TranslatorsNotes:2Tim.1.1!b">
>                <title>1:1b</title>
>                <div type="verseFragment2">
>                   <title>according to:</title>
>                   <p> The NIV translates the Greek preposition
<foreign
> xml:lang="gr">????</foreign> as <c-mentioned>according
to</c-mentioned>.
> This word introduces God's purpose for calling Paul to be an apostle.
Some
> ways to translate this idea are:</p>
>                   <p type="ListBullet">Use a prepositional phrase as
the
> NIV has done.</p>
>                   <p type="example">
>                      <milestone n="1a"/>Paul, an apostle of Christ
Jesus
> by the will of God, <milestone n="1b"/>
>                      <c-Emphasis>according to</c-Emphasis> the promise
of
> life that is in Christ Jesus</p>
>                   <p type="ListBullet">Use a conjunction.</p>
>                   <p type="example">
>                      <milestone n="1a"/>God chose me to be an apostle
> <milestone n="1b"/>
>                      <c-Emphasis>in order to</c-Emphasis> make known
the
> promise of life that is in Christ Jesus</p>
>                   <p type="ListBullet">Use a verb, as TEV has
done.</p>
>                   <p type="example">
>                      <milestone n="1a"/>God chose me to be an apostle
> <milestone n="1b"/>and <c-Emphasis>sent me</c-Emphasis> to proclaim
the
> promise of life?.</p>
>                </div>
>                <div type="verseFragment2">
>                   <title>the promise of life:</title>
>                   <p> In the Greek text, the word that the NIV
translates
> as <c-mentioned>life</c-mentioned> here refers to spiritual and
eternal
> life, not physical life. God appointed Paul and sent him to many
different
> places to preach the gospel. Paul told the people in these places that
God
> had promised to give them eternal life if they would trust in the Lord
> Jesus Christ.</p>
>                </div>
>             </div>
> 
> Jim Albright
> 704 843-0582
> Wycliffe Bible Translators
> 
> 
> 
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