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Reporting and planning page for minor text and markup issues to improve the KJV module. This is a continuation of the work done by DM Smith in Project KJV2006.

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Detection methods

The issues reported here by David Haslam were detected by a detailed comparison with the text extracted from the independently created KJV1769 e-Sword module provided by Art Dunham, as once hosted on the Spanish Reina-Valera-Gomez website and downloaded before that site was redesigned. That e-Sword module was not completely without minor errors, but the comparison proved fruitful in identifying some minor issues with both works.

The red letter markup errors had been reported or observed in the KJV ThML source file, originally downloaded from CCEL, and as used for making the KJV Go Bible. The project leader has therefore cross-checked whether similar errors are present in the KJV SWORD module, even though the source text is a different XML schema.

Text and markup issues

Translators' added words currently not displayed as italics

Due to the use of alternative transChange markup

I found 17 instances where <seg subType="x-added" type="x-transChange">...</seg> was used to mark added words. Front-end applications based on the SWORD engine do not assign italics for words marked like this. The added words are listed below.

Judges 11:3     of            note
Micah 7:12      from          note
Matthew 18:28   him           w
Matthew 21:28   certain       w
Matthew 21:31   his           w
Matthew 22:6    them          w
Matthew 23:4    themselves    w
Matthew 25:37   thee          w
Matthew 25:38   thee          w
Matthew 26:17   feast of      w
Matthew 26:45   your          w
Matthew 26:67   him           w
Mark 5:29       her           w
Mark 10:4       her           w
Luke 9:36       it            w
Luke 11:19      them          w
John 5:36       that          w
Currently OSIS does not allow transChange within notes or w elements, but it does allow seg. These should change when the schema is changed to allow for it. This was discussed on sword-devel in March 2006. --Dmsmith 21:05, 12 November 2011 (MST)

Translators' added words that incorrectly include a punctuation mark

I found 20 instances where the transChange markers for an added word also included the punctuation mark at the end of the sentence. Admittedly, displaying a full-stop or a comma in italics is of minor cosmetic significance, yet nonetheless this is structurally incorrect. For convenience here below I have used square brackets to abbreviate where the transChange markers are.

Matthew 11:27            [him.]
Matthew 13:17            [them.]
Matthew 19:12            [it.]
Matthew 22:46            [questions.]
Mark 11:14               [it.]
Mark 12:34               [any question.]
Luke 10:22               [him.]
Luke 10:24               [them.]
Luke 11:44               [of them.]
John 1:18                [him.]
John 4:26                [he.]
John 14:14               [it.]
John 19:27               [home.]
Acts 7:53                [it.]
Acts 16:13               [thither.]
Romans 13:14             [thereof.]
I Corinthians 10:13      [it.]
II Corinthians 7:16      [things.]
I Thessalonians 5:24     [it.]
Revelation of John 2:17  [it.]
These have been fixed. A while ago. Thanks. --Dmsmith 12:33, 21 July 2012 (MDT)

Translators' added words that incongruously include lemmas

There are 34 verses in which the text within the transChange element includes a lemma for a word (or words) in the original languages, Hebrew or Greek.
As the added words were additions to make the English sentence read properly, having a lemma for most of these is incongruous to say the least.

Count	Reference[s]		Added words (transChange elements with text containing lemmas)
00001	I John 2:23		(but) <w lemma="strong:G3670" morph="robinson:V-PAP-NSM" src="11">he that acknowledgeth</w> <w lemma="strong:G3588 strong:G5207" morph="robinson:T-ASM robinson:N-ASM" src="12 13">the Son</w> <w lemma="strong:G2192" morph="robinson:V-PAI-3S" src="17">hath</w> <w lemma="strong:G3588 strong:G3962" morph="robinson:T-ASM robinson:N-ASM" src="15 16">the Father</w> <w lemma="strong:G2532" morph="robinson:CONJ" src="14">also</w>
00001	Romans 15:6		<w lemma="strong:G1722" morph="robinson:PREP" src="3"></w>and
00001	Matthew 3:15		<w lemma="strong:G2076" morph="robinson:V-PXI-3S" src="13">it to be so</w>
00001	I Thessalonians 4:1	<w lemma="strong:G2443" morph="robinson:CONJ" src="24">so</w>
00001	Mark 13:4		<w lemma="strong:G3195" morph="robinson:V-PAS-3S" src="11">shall be</w>
00001	Luke 21:7		<w lemma="strong:G3195" morph="robinson:V-PAS-3S" src="15">will there be</w>
00001	I John 3:16		<w lemma="strong:G3588 strong:G2316" morph="robinson:T-GSM robinson:N-GSM" src="6 7">of God</w>
00001	Acts 26:18		<w lemma="strong:G3588" morph="robinson:T-GSM" src="4">and</w>
00001	John 8:6		<w lemma="strong:G4364" morph="robinson:V-PNP-NSM" src="22">as though</w> he heard them <w lemma="strong:G3361" morph="robinson:PRT-N" src="21">not</w>
00001	Luke 10:30		<w lemma="strong:G444" morph="robinson:N-NSM" src="6">man</w>
00001	Mark 13:11		<w lemma="strong:G5209" morph="robinson:P-2AP" src="4">you</w>
00001	Acts 9:37		<w lemma="strong:G846" morph="robinson:P-ASF" src="12">her</w>
00001	Revelation 9:11		<w lemma="strong:G846" morph="robinson:P-DSM" src="11">his</w>
00001	Revelation 9:10		<w lemma="strong:G91" morph="robinson:V-AAN" src="17" subType="x-22" type="x-split">was</w>
00001	Jeremiah 6:14		<w lemma="strong:H01323" morph="strongMorph:TH8676">of the daughter</w>
00001	Numbers 3:20		<w lemma="strong:H01992">are</w>
00001	Numbers 20:13		<w lemma="strong:H01992">is</w>
00001	Numbers 13:3		<w lemma="strong:H01992">were</w>
00002	Exodus 15:13,16		<w lemma="strong:H02098">which</w>
00001	Exodus 34:19		<w lemma="strong:H02142" morph="strongMorph:TH8735">that is male</w>
00001	Psalms 39:3		<w lemma="strong:H0227">then</w>
00001	Jeremiah 28:9		<w lemma="strong:H0227">then</w>
00001	Jeremiah 51:53		<w lemma="strong:H0227">yet</w>
00001	Numbers 14:28		<w lemma="strong:H03808">As truly as</w>
00001	Ezra 2:65		<w lemma="strong:H0428">there were</w>
00001	Numbers 10:28		<w lemma="strong:H0428">were</w>
00001	II Kings 19:31		<w lemma="strong:H06635" morph="strongMorph:TH8675">of hosts</w>
00001	Numbers 1:16		<w lemma="strong:H07148">were</w>
00001	II Chronicles 10:16	<w lemma="strong:H07200" morph="strongMorph:TH8804">saw</w>
00001	Psalms 17:6		<w lemma="strong:H08085" morph="strongMorph:TH8798">and hear</w>
00001	I Samuel 30:27		<w lemma="strong:H0834">them</w>
00001	Genesis 14:10		<w lemma="strong:H0875">was full of</w>
00001	John 9:29		as <w lemma="strong:G1161" morph="robinson:CONJ" src="9">for</w>

Note:

  1. I John 2:23b is a unique case, where the small text in the 1611 AV is not really added words per se, but rather a reading found in several Greek MSS yet not in all MSS that were then known to scholars. (I have consulted the NT scholar Peter J Williams about this. See [1]). David Haslam 03:07, 16 August 2012 (MDT)

Minor typographical errors

Some possibilities: horizontal bar: ― or emdash: —. There are also some 2- and 3-em dashes in the Unicode pipeline.
Fixed with an mdash. A while ago. --Dmsmith 12:38, 21 July 2012 (MDT)
The reference text has one word, restingplace, as is in the module. --Dmsmith 19:29, 12 November 2011 (MST)
The reference text has a semicolon. --Dmsmith 19:29, 12 November 2011 (MST)
The reference text has no colophons. I'll change it as you've seen it. --Dmsmith 19:29, 12 November 2011 (MST)
The reference text has lower case in Joel and upper case in Acts.--Dmsmith 07:17, 22 December 2011 (MST)

Hyphenation

I've fixed Bar-jesus to have an ndash. --Dmsmith 12:28, 21 July 2012 (MDT)

cf. With 3 exceptions, all the 250 'hyphenated' proper names in the OT have an ndash, whereas hyphenated ordinary words have a plain hyphen.
These are: 'God-ward', 'thee-ward', 'us-ward'. These three also occur in the NT, with the addition of 'joint-heirs'.

What are the other 2 exceptions? I can't find them. --Dmsmith 12:28, 21 July 2012 (MDT)
My wording was a bit ambiguous. The 3 exceptions are not proper names. They are the 3 words listed above. David Haslam 03:47, 16 August 2012 (MDT)

The question arises, therefore, as to why ever was the ndash used in place of a hyphen? To avoid clutter here, I have listed the proper names in the talk page.

When Timothy Lanfear and I were comparing texts, his text used ndashes. Some printed texts use something other than a hyphen, i.e. a longer dash. --Dmsmith 12:28, 21 July 2012 (MDT)
cf. The only 3 hyphenated words ('Beth-horon', 'Cades-Barne', 'En-gaddi') found in the Apocryphal books of the KJVA module use proper hyphens. There are none with an ndash. btw. The first name also occurs in its unhyphenated form 'Bethhoron'.David Haslam 03:56, 16 August 2012 (MDT)

Spelling differences

The reference text does indeed have ankle not ancle. --Dmsmith 21:07, 12 November 2011 (MST)
  1. This is a strange inconsistency. In the KJV module, the spelling ankle occurs in 4 other places in the OT.
Æneas Ænon Alphæus Arimathæa Bartimæus Cæsar Cæsarea Chaldæans Galilæan Galilæans Judæa Prætorium Timæus Zacchæus.
Actually it is Arimathaea (Mk 15:42, Jn 19:38) and Arimathæa (Mt 27:57, Lk 23:51), which is as my reference text has it. Regarding the others I took great care to double check these when I updated it in 2006. I found the text to be inconsistent, but I followed it. If you can provide a verse list, I'll double check them again, but it is too tedious for me to do searches to find the references and then look them up in a hard copy. --Dmsmith 16:50, 21 July 2012 (MDT)
  1. Several of these words also appear with the ae spelling variant. There are none in the OT.

Red letter markup errors

John 16:17 should have no red letter markup according to my reference text. These are words that are attributed to Christ, not him actually speaking.--Dmsmith 19:13, 12 November 2011 (MST)

Lemma markup errors

Fixed. This was the only place it occurred. --Dmsmith 12:41, 21 July 2012 (MDT)

Other markup errors

In the reference text is it not rendered in small caps. This has the Strong's number 136, which is not the tetragrammaton. The divine name markup is reserved for just a few Hebrew words: YHWH, Yah, .... --Dmsmith 07:16, 22 December 2011 (MST)

Split words

Acts 1:12 splits the word day's. Also the markup is wrong. <w src="14" lemma="strong:G4521" morph="robinson:N-GSN">a sabbath day</w>'<w src="15" lemma="strong:G2192" morph="robinson:V-PAP-ASN">s</w> --Dmsmith 11:35, 21 July 2012 (MDT)

Replace possessive ' with ’

There are numerous places where a straight apostrophe would look better with a curly apostrophe. --Dmsmith 11:35, 21 July 2012 (MDT)

Pilcrow signs

<verse osisID="Gen.1.6" sID="Gen.1.6"/><milestone type="x-p" marker="¶"/><w lemma="strong:H0430">And God</w> <w morph="strongMorph:TH8799" lemma="strong:H0559">said</w>, ...

Would a simple solution be to change it to marker="¶ ", i.e. with a space after the Pilcrow sign?

Yes, this is a fine solution. --Dmsmith 21:07, 12 November 2011 (MST)
Slight complication! – when the verse starts as red letters, the space is already displayed after the Pilcrow. Compare Matthew 22:11 with Matthew 22:15. David Haslam 08:28, 14 November 2011 (MST)
On second look, it would be a fine solution, but Xiphos already has special code to add the space. The change should not be made if it is disruptive to Xiphos. --Dmsmith 07:21, 17 November 2011 (MST)
Surely two spaces (where there are red letters) is preferable to not having any space after the pilcrow elsewhere? David Haslam 12:22, 28 May 2012 (MDT)

KJVA module

Notes:

  1. DM does not actually maintain the deuterocanonical books or the KJVA module. It is maintained by Osk. This is a convenient place to record the problems.
  2. All the above KJV corrections would also need to be applied for the KJVA module. In addition, the following errata have been reported.

Minor typographical errors

This list is not yet complete; corrections to the DC books may be deferred until someone has proofread all of them.

Apostrophes

Plain apostrophes are not found within any of the deuterocanonical books. The KJVA module uses the Right Single Quotation Mark (U+2019) to mark possessives. There are 295 instances of these. This is a digitization anomaly between the deuterocanonical and protocanonical books.

I've made the same change to the canonical books. --Dmsmith 12:43, 21 July 2012 (MDT)

Modern English doesn't use an apostrophe with the possessive pronoun ours and yours, so the following verse should be reviewed. There is also a full-stop missing from this verse.

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