From john.f.hutton at gmail.com  Mon Dec  3 14:13:25 2012
From: john.f.hutton at gmail.com (John Hutton)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 21:13:25 +0000
Subject: [tyndale-devel] tyndale-devel Digest, Vol 3, Issue 18
Message-ID: <-493871739439487122@unknownmsgid>

Chris -

I raised an issue (#424) against the two column improvement.

Thanks, John

Sent from my Windows Surface RT...

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From: John Hutton <john.f.hutton at gmail.com>
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Subject: [tyndale-devel] Initial Look in "Windows Surface RT - Win8"
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Hi All -

Just trying to get back to doing some work on the program and thought I
would try to do a early look at how STEPs performs on a Win8 RT Tablet.

I?m afraid I could not do much checking.

The initial links to the documentation appear to be missing (gave me
errors).

Under the windows8 RT OS, none of the gui interactions work correctly.
When I click on a translation, instead of a pulldown I get a text entry
field.  When I click on the ?view? or ?tools?, it only pops up the menu
while I?m touching the button, but will not pop it up so I can make a
selection.  Bible verse selection is also a ?type? only field (although it
seems to have a selectable popup).

This does seem to work with a mouse on the tablet, so it may be simply some
high level changes that are needed to work with the ?touch? interface.

I also tried this on my Windows Phone 7.5 (where it would be very useful to
me as well), with limited success.  Even the single column layout doesn?t
seem to fit well on the screen (popups show up off screen).

Two other general comments:

In two screen mode, could each side keep track of the type of info it is
looking at?  The most common way I would use the tool would be to have a
bible translation on the left and a commentary on the right.  I found that
both columns assume the ?last? selection, so if I want to change bibles and
commentaries after each other it takes more clicks.  I could, however, see
use models for the current method, so this many only be a personal style
thing.

Secondly, I would love to be able to have the second column be an editor
where I could record things like sermon notes.  Is there anything like that
in the plan?

Thanks!

John

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Hi John

Thanks for all those comments. As you'll have seen we haven't targetted
Windows Surfaces yet. This is in the pipeline when we start targetting
mobile devices. In particular, all the autocompletes will be likely
transformed into normal dropdowns to harness the native OS features.

In terms of the comments about the bibles/commentaries selection. Do you
mean that each column should remember its own selection? If so, I think
that is a sensible improvement. Could I ask you to raise this in our JIRA
instance:
https://stepweb.atlassian.net/secure/TaskBoard.jspa?type=TB&selectedProjectId=10040&selectedBoardId=11750&start=0under
the version 1.1

On the final note, about capturing a personal commentary, etc. Yes we have
plans for this, but don't know which form this will take yet. Probably a
number of forms including being able to tie your comments to particular
verses, passages, etc. As well as a social aspect, e.g. sharing comments
with a  facebook group, google circles, or your small group at church.

Thanks!
Chris



On 23 November 2012 23:58, John Hutton <john.f.hutton at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All -
>
> Just trying to get back to doing some work on the program and thought I
> would try to do a early look at how STEPs performs on a Win8 RT Tablet.
>
> I?m afraid I could not do much checking.
>
> The initial links to the documentation appear to be missing (gave me
> errors).
>
> Under the windows8 RT OS, none of the gui interactions work correctly.
> When I click on a translation, instead of a pulldown I get a text entry
> field.  When I click on the ?view? or ?tools?, it only pops up the menu
> while I?m touching the button, but will not pop it up so I can make a
> selection.  Bible verse selection is also a ?type? only field (although it
> seems to have a selectable popup).
>
> This does seem to work with a mouse on the tablet, so it may be simply
> some high level changes that are needed to work with the ?touch?
interface.
>
> I also tried this on my Windows Phone 7.5 (where it would be very useful
> to me as well), with limited success.  Even the single column layout
> doesn?t seem to fit well on the screen (popups show up off screen).
>
> Two other general comments:
>
> In two screen mode, could each side keep track of the type of info it is
> looking at?  The most common way I would use the tool would be to have a
> bible translation on the left and a commentary on the right.  I found that
> both columns assume the ?last? selection, so if I want to change bibles
and
> commentaries after each other it takes more clicks.  I could, however, see
> use models for the current method, so this many only be a personal style
> thing.
>
> Secondly, I would love to be able to have the second column be an editor
> where I could record things like sermon notes.  Is there anything like
that
> in the plan?
>
> Thanks!
>
> John
>
> Sent from Windows Mail
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tyndale-devel at crosswire.org
> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/tyndale-devel
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From davidinstonebrewer at gmail.com  Tue Dec  4 00:07:16 2012
From: davidinstonebrewer at gmail.com (David Instone-Brewer)
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 07:07:16 +0000
Subject: [tyndale-devel] tyndale-devel Digest, Vol 3, Issue 18
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Message-ID: <50bdb725.490acc0a.37d2.119d@mx.google.com>

Won't these kinds of things get fixed by updates of Windows 8 and JQuery?
I had a look at a friend's WIndow 8 tablet yesterday for the first time. Cool.
Makes my XP Tablet look clunky.
It is very new, and was probably brought out in a hurry in time for CHristmas.

David IB


At 21:13 03/12/2012, John Hutton wrote:
>Chris -
>
>I raised an issue (#424) against the two column improvement.
>
>Thanks, John
>
>Sent from my Windows Surface RT...
>
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>Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 23:58:31 +0000
>From: John Hutton <<mailto:john.f.hutton at gmail.com>john.f.hutton at gmail.com>
>To: 
>"<mailto:tyndale-devel at crosswire.org>tyndale-devel at crosswire.org" 
><<mailto:tyndale-devel at crosswire.org>tyndale-devel at crosswire.org>
>Subject: [tyndale-devel] Initial Look in "Windows Surface RT - Win8"
>Message-ID: <4412799042426147105 at unknownmsgid>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
>Hi All -
>
>Just trying to get back to doing some work on the program and thought I
>would try to do a early look at how STEPs performs on a Win8 RT Tablet.
>
>I?m afraid I could not do much checking.
>
>The initial links to the documentation appear to be missing (gave me
>errors).
>
>Under the windows8 RT OS, none of the gui interactions work correctly.
>When I click on a translation, instead of a pulldown I get a text entry
>field.  When I click on the ?view? or ?tools?, it only pops up the menu
>while I?m touching the button, but will not pop it up so I can make a
>selection.  Bible verse selection is also a ?type? only field (although it
>seems to have a selectable popup).
>
>This does seem to work with a mouse on the tablet, so it may be simply some
>high level changes that are needed to work with the ?touch? interface.
>
>I also tried this on my Windows Phone 7.5 (where it would be very useful to
>me as well), with limited success.  Even the single column layout doesn?t
>seem to fit well on the screen (popups show up off screen).
>
>Two other general comments:
>
>In two screen mode, could each side keep track of the type of info it is
>looking at?  The most common way I would use the tool would be to have a
>bible translation on the left and a commentary on the right.  I found that
>both columns assume the ?last? selection, so if I want to change bibles and
>commentaries after each other it takes more clicks.  I could, however, see
>use models for the current method, so this many only be a personal style
>thing.
>
>Secondly, I would love to be able to have the second column be an editor
>where I could record things like sermon notes.  Is there anything like that
>in the plan?
>
>Thanks!
>
>John
>
>Sent from Windows Mail
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>Hi John
>
>Thanks for all those comments. As you'll have seen we haven't targetted
>Windows Surfaces yet. This is in the pipeline when we start targetting
>mobile devices. In particular, all the autocompletes will be likely
>transformed into normal dropdowns to harness the native OS features.
>
>In terms of the comments about the bibles/commentaries selection. Do you
>mean that each column should remember its own selection? If so, I think
>that is a sensible improvement. Could I ask you to raise this in our JIRA
>instance:
><https://stepweb.atlassian.net/secure/TaskBoard.jspa?type=TB&selectedProjectId=10040&selectedBoardId=11750&start=0under>https://stepweb.atlassian.net/secure/TaskBoard.jspa?type=TB&selectedProjectId=10040&selectedBoardId=11750&start=0under
>the version 1.1
>
>On the final note, about capturing a personal commentary, etc. Yes we have
>plans for this, but don't know which form this will take yet. Probably a
>number of forms including being able to tie your comments to particular
>verses, passages, etc. As well as a social aspect, e.g. sharing comments
>with a  facebook group, google circles, or your small group at church.
>
>Thanks!
>Chris
>
>
>
>On 23 November 2012 23:58, John Hutton 
><<mailto:john.f.hutton at gmail.com>john.f.hutton at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi All -
> >
> > Just trying to get back to doing some work on the program and thought I
> > would try to do a early look at how STEPs performs on a Win8 RT Tablet.
> >
> > I?m afraid I could not do much checking.
> >
> > The initial links to the documentation appear to be missing (gave me
> > errors).
> >
> > Under the windows8 RT OS, none of the gui interactions work correctly.
> > When I click on a translation, instead of a pulldown I get a text entry
> > field.  When I click on the ?view? or ?tools?, it only pops up the menu
> > while I?m touching the button, but will not pop it up so I can make a
> > selection.  Bible verse selection is also a ?type? only field (although it
> > seems to have a selectable popup).
> >
> > This does seem to work with a mouse on the tablet, so it may be simply
> > some high level changes that are needed to work with the ?touch? interface.
> >
> > I also tried this on my Windows Phone 7.5 (where it would be very useful
> > to me as well), with limited success.  Even the single column layout
> > doesn?t seem to fit well on the screen (popups show up off screen).
> >
> > Two other general comments:
> >
> > In two screen mode, could each side keep track of the type of info it is
> > looking at?  The most common way I would use the tool would be to have a
> > bible translation on the left and a commentary on the right.  I found that
> > both columns assume the ?last? selection, so if I want to change bibles and
> > commentaries after each other it takes more clicks.  I could, however, see
> > use models for the current method, so this many only be a personal style
> > thing.
> >
> > Secondly, I would love to be able to have the second column be an editor
> > where I could record things like sermon notes.  Is there anything like that
> > in the plan?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > John
> >
> > Sent from Windows Mail
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tyndale-devel mailing list
> > <mailto:tyndale-devel at crosswire.org>tyndale-devel at crosswire.org
> > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/tyndale-devel
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From christopher.burrell at gmail.com  Tue Dec  4 02:00:10 2012
From: christopher.burrell at gmail.com (Chris Burrell)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 09:00:10 +0000
Subject: [tyndale-devel] tyndale-devel Digest, Vol 3, Issue 18
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nope.  this is coded to work like so at the moment.  but it it's easy to
change.  thanks for raising it.
On 4 Dec 2012 09:42, "David Instone-Brewer" <davidinstonebrewer at gmail.com>
wrote:

>  Won't these kinds of things get fixed by updates of Windows 8 and JQuery?
> I had a look at a friend's WIndow 8 tablet yesterday for the first time.
> Cool.
> Makes my XP Tablet look clunky.
> It is very new, and was probably brought out in a hurry in time for
> CHristmas.
>
> David IB
>
>
> At 21:13 03/12/2012, John Hutton wrote:
>
> Chris -
>
> I raised an issue (#424) against the two column improvement.
>
> Thanks, John
>
> Sent from my Windows Surface RT...
>
> *From:* tyndale-devel-request at crosswire.org
> *Sent:* November 24, 2012 11:56 AM
> *To:* tyndale-devel at crosswire.org
> *Subject:* tyndale-devel Digest, Vol 3, Issue 18
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 23:58:31 +0000
> From: John Hutton <john.f.hutton at gmail.com >
> To: " tyndale-devel at crosswire.org" < tyndale-devel at crosswire.org>
> Subject: [tyndale-devel] Initial Look in "Windows Surface RT - Win8"
> Message-ID: <4412799042426147105 at unknownmsgid>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
> Hi All -
>
> Just trying to get back to doing some work on the program and thought I
> would try to do a early look at how STEPs performs on a Win8 RT Tablet.
>
> I?m afraid I could not do much checking.
>
> The initial links to the documentation appear to be missing (gave me
> errors).
>
> Under the windows8 RT OS, none of the gui interactions work correctly.
> When I click on a translation, instead of a pulldown I get a text entry
> field.  When I click on the ?view? or ?tools?, it only pops up the menu
> while I?m touching the button, but will not pop it up so I can make a
> selection.  Bible verse selection is also a ?type? only field (although it
> seems to have a selectable popup).
>
> This does seem to work with a mouse on the tablet, so it may be simply some
> high level changes that are needed to work with the ?touch? interface.
>
> I also tried this on my Windows Phone 7.5 (where it would be very useful to
> me as well), with limited success.  Even the single column layout doesn?t
> seem to fit well on the screen (popups show up off screen).
>
> Two other general comments:
>
> In two screen mode, could each side keep track of the type of info it is
> looking at?  The most common way I would use the tool would be to have a
> bible translation on the left and a commentary on the right.  I found that
> both columns assume the ?last? selection, so if I want to change bibles and
> commentaries after each other it takes more clicks.  I could, however, see
> use models for the current method, so this many only be a personal style
> thing.
>
> Secondly, I would love to be able to have the second column be an editor
> where I could record things like sermon notes.  Is there anything like that
> in the plan?
>
> Thanks!
>
> John
>
> Sent from Windows Mail
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
> Hi John
>
> Thanks for all those comments. As you'll have seen we haven't targetted
> Windows Surfaces yet. This is in the pipeline when we start targetting
> mobile devices. In particular, all the autocompletes will be likely
> transformed into normal dropdowns to harness the native OS features.
>
> In terms of the comments about the bibles/commentaries selection. Do you
> mean that each column should remember its own selection? If so, I think
> that is a sensible improvement. Could I ask you to raise this in our JIRA
> instance:
> https://stepweb.atlassian.net/secure/TaskBoard.jspa?type=TB&selectedProjectId=10040&selectedBoardId=11750&start=0under
> the version 1.1
>
> On the final note, about capturing a personal commentary, etc. Yes we have
> plans for this, but don't know which form this will take yet. Probably a
> number of forms including being able to tie your comments to particular
> verses, passages, etc. As well as a social aspect, e.g. sharing comments
> with a  facebook group, google circles, or your small group at church.
>
> Thanks!
> Chris
>
>
>
> On 23 November 2012 23:58, John Hutton <john.f.hutton at gmail.com > wrote:
>
> > Hi All -
> >
> > Just trying to get back to doing some work on the program and thought I
> > would try to do a early look at how STEPs performs on a Win8 RT Tablet.
> >
> > I?m afraid I could not do much checking.
> >
> > The initial links to the documentation appear to be missing (gave me
> > errors).
> >
> > Under the windows8 RT OS, none of the gui interactions work correctly.
> > When I click on a translation, instead of a pulldown I get a text entry
> > field.  When I click on the ?view? or ?tools?, it only pops up the menu
> > while I?m touching the button, but will not pop it up so I can make a
> > selection.  Bible verse selection is also a ?type? only field (although
> it
> > seems to have a selectable popup).
> >
> > This does seem to work with a mouse on the tablet, so it may be simply
> > some high level changes that are needed to work with the ?touch?
> interface.
> >
> > I also tried this on my Windows Phone 7.5 (where it would be very useful
> > to me as well), with limited success.  Even the single column layout
> > doesn?t seem to fit well on the screen (popups show up off screen).
> >
> > Two other general comments:
> >
> > In two screen mode, could each side keep track of the type of info it is
> > looking at?  The most common way I would use the tool would be to have a
> > bible translation on the left and a commentary on the right.  I found
> that
> > both columns assume the ?last? selection, so if I want to change bibles
> and
> > commentaries after each other it takes more clicks.  I could, however,
> see
> > use models for the current method, so this many only be a personal style
> > thing.
> >
> > Secondly, I would love to be able to have the second column be an editor
> > where I could record things like sermon notes.  Is there anything like
> that
> > in the plan?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > John
> >
> > Sent from Windows Mail
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tyndale-devel mailing list
> > tyndale-devel at crosswire.org
> > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/tyndale-devel
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