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<p>Applied. Thank you Костя!</p>
<p>Do you remember if there was a particular obstacle preventing us
from sharing mapping data between SWORD and JSword. It's been so
long and I wasn't deeply involved in those discussion. It sure
would be nice to keep these these mapping definitions in
sword-tools in some format from which both SWORD and JSword can
generate their necessary data structures.</p>
<p>Blessings. Hope you've been well.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/10/20 9:23 AM, Костя Маслюк wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi! All cannon files you
mentioned are used to know, the only case is nrsva that was
not finished probably because base v11n, nrsv was left for
testing. I will review that v11ns again, in month or two. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">By the way I see
following patches not applied.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">And it will be super
helpful if someone point me the texts best to compare, for
base v11n I use KJVA, but I do not sure about text to use
for NRSVA (NRSV too)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Blessings</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0cm"><b>From:
</b><a href="mailto:scribe@crosswire.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">Troy A. Griffitts</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>6 мая 2020 г. 22:28<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">sword-devel@crosswire.org</a>; <a
href="mailto:kostyamaslyuk@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Костя Маслюк</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping
(SWORD + JSword)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Dear John, Jamie, and Костя,</p>
<p>First, I want to say that DM Smith has also a versification
mapping implementation in JSword, which was, and likely still
is a foundational part of STEP. I don't know if STEP uses
JSword's versification mapping facility or if it implements
its own. There were collaboration efforts around July 2014 to
get SWORD and JSword to use the same data sources, but I am
not sure how that ended up.</p>
<p>I don't remember all the details of Костя's representation
for a mapping system, but we pushed pretty hard to have it
handle most all scenarios and doing a quick search it looks
like Костя and others have built mappings for these systems:</p>
<p>[scribe@localhost include]$ grep -l mapping
sword/include/canon*<br>
canon_calvin.h<br>
canon_darbyfr.h<br>
canon_nrsv.h<br>
canon_segond.h<br>
canon_synodal.h<br>
canon_vulg.h</p>
<p>If you are familiar with mapping systems (and it sounds like
John and Jamie all are) and have a look at the mapping data in
any of the above files as examples, I am sure you will
understand how Костя is representing data for his
implementation.</p>
<p>All this to say, it would be really great if any of you might
be interested in contributing mapping data to our other
supported versification systems which don't yet have the
mapping implemented:</p>
<p>[scribe@localhost include]$ grep -L mapping
sword/include/canon_*<br>
canon_abbrevs.h <- ignore this one<br>
canon_catholic2.h<br>
canon_catholic.h<br>
canon_german.h<br>
canon_kjva.h<br>
canon_leningrad.h<br>
canon_luther.h<br>
canon_lxx.h<br>
canon_mt.h<br>
canon_nrsva.h<br>
canon_null.h<br>
canon_orthodox.h<br>
canon_synodalprot.h</p>
<p><a href="http://crosswire.org/svn/sword/trunk/include/"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://crosswire.org/svn/sword/trunk/include/</a></p>
<p>It would be a blessing to me and everyone who uses the
engine.</p>
<p>Serving together,</p>
<p>Troy</p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 5/6/20 10:20 AM, John Dudeck wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Greetings,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I
have done quite a bit of content development for Logos,
including Bibles that had versifications that did not fit
any existing schemes in Logos.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Logos
uses "verse maps", which are xml files that specify the
mapping of every verse in a particular versification to
every verse in each other versification. If a particular
whole book matches the versification of some other
existing versification, the verse map for that book can
simply reference the existing versification. In use, the
software is also able to infer mappings when going between
two versifications that aren't referenced directly. The
verse maps have to be validated before they are
incorporated, to avoid conflicting mappings.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The
verse maps can handle such things as verses that are split
differently in different versifications, and the headings
in Psalms.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The
downside of their system is that the verse maps have to be
hard-compiled into a release of the software. They are not
pluggable. I think pluggable verse maps is on their list
of enhancements, but as far as I know the feature has
never been developed. Maybe they aren't smart enough to
figure it out. I don't know that I could figure it out
either.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">John</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><img style="width:5.5in;height:.0208in"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi Tobias,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Remember
that any libraries for STEP Bible would likely be oriented
towards JSword rather than SWORD per se.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">David</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Sent
from ProtonMail Mobile</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On
Wed, May 6, 2020 at 17:04, Tobias Klein <</span><a
href="mailto:contact@tklein.info" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
contact@tklein.info</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
> wrote:</span></p>
<p style="margin-left:25.5pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi
Jamie,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks.
I had a look at the data, that’s quite complex! Even a
bit intimidating ...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div style="margin-left:25.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div style="margin-left:25.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I
suppose STEPBible has some library functions that parse
this data?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Can
you point me to any APIs?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div style="margin-left:25.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Best
regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Tobias</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Am
06.05.2020 um 15:04 schrieb Jamie <</span><a
href="mailto:araj@critos.co.uk" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
araj@critos.co.uk</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-left:51.05pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi
Tobias,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Not
sure that this exactly answers your question, but just in
case it’s relevant, Tyndale House have various public
domain information available, including material on
alternative versification schemes. The reversification
material gives details of how to map LXX, MT and Vulgate
schemes on to NRSVA (and also addresses some other schemes
which are perhaps less frequently encountered). It also
caters for common variants which basically follow one of
these schemes, but which have certain verses split up into
subverses. You can find the data at :-</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://github.com/tyndale/STEPBible-Data/blob/master/TVTMS%20-%20Tyndale%20Versification%20Traditions%20with%20Methodology%20for%20Standardisation%20for%20Eng%2BHeb%2BLat%2BGrk%2BOthers%20-%20TyndaleHouse.com%20STEPBible.org%20CC%20BY-NC.txt"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://github.com/tyndale/STEPBible-Data/blob/master/TVTMS%20-%20Tyndale%20Versification%20Traditions%20with%20Methodology%20for%20Standardisation%20for%20Eng%2BHeb%2BLat%2BGrk%2BOthers%20-%20TyndaleHouse.com%20STEPBible.org%20CC%20BY-NC.txt</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If
you do want to make use of it, I’d be very happy to try to
answer any questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">ARA
“Jamie” Jamieson</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Tobias
Klein [</span> <a href="mailto:contact@tklein.info"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">mailto:contact@tklein.info</span></a>
<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 05 May 2020 21:19<br>
<b>To:</b> SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum <</span>
<a href="mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org"
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [sword-devel] Versification Mapping</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi,</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I
would like to ask a question that I was planning to ask
for a while already ... <br>
What's the recommended solution of mapping different
versification systems?</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">And
what working implementations for this are already out
there? <br>
<br>
I realize that my understanding of versifications has been
a bit limited and that's visible in Ezra Project's
implementation of the mapping. I am currently only
differentiating between two versification systems, namely
the English versification (used in most/all (?) English
translations) and the Hebrew versification (used in most
modern German translations).</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">It's
been a few years since I looked into this and I think this
has been my source (SBL Handbook of Style) <br>
</span><a
href="https://books.google.de/books?id=M_upBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA265&lpg=PA265&dq=appendix+english/hebrew/greek+versification&source=bl&ots=CXVR0J6YrI&sig=ACfU3U3hEIPgNxmmUQW1kZJaRAtHl78L-g&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwilyoPUwp3pAhUrzqYKHVk4BtIQ6AEwAXoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=appendix%20english%2Fhebrew%2Fgreek%20versification&f=false"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://books.google.de/books?id=M_upBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA265&lpg=PA265&dq=appendix+english/hebrew/greek+versification&source=bl&ots=CXVR0J6YrI&sig=ACfU3U3hEIPgNxmmUQW1kZJaRAtHl78L-g&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwilyoPUwp3pAhUrzqYKHVk4BtIQ6AEwAXoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=appendix%20english%2Fhebrew%2Fgreek%20versification&f=false</span></a></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">My
current approach in Ezra Project to map between English
and Hebrew versification is the following:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:157.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#010101"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#010101">I
use "absolute verse numbers" in each book.</span><span
style="font-family:Symbol;color:#010101"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:157.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#010101"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#010101">I
have mapping tables that basically define offsets for the
"absolute verse numbers" (see implementation </span><span
style="font-family:Symbol;color:#010101"><a
href="https://github.com/tobias-klein/ezra-project/blob/master/models/versereference.js#L177"
moz-do-not-send="true"> <span
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#010101"><span
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"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#010101">The
versification (currently only English or Hebrew) of the
respective translation is detected based on some simple
dynamic tests when opening it.</span><span
style="font-family:Symbol;color:#010101"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:157.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#010101"><span
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"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#010101">I
have functions to convert between one and the other
"absolute verse numbers" based on the mapping.</span><span
style="font-family:Symbol;color:#010101"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:157.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0
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"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#010101">Verse
Reference objects are stored both with the English and
Hebrew absolute verse numbers and these objects are used
for assigning tags, notes, etc.</span><span
style="font-family:Symbol;color:#010101"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">This
works fairly well when using English translations and
German translations. The result is for example that tags
that were assigned to verses of an English translation
still show up correctly for the verses in a German
translation. This is particularly visible in Psalms.<br>
<br>
How flawed is my current approach described above?<br>
How do other frontends do it?<br>
Have there been plans to somehow integrate some sort of
mapping functionality into the SWORD engine?<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Tobias</span></p>
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