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<p>Ok, thanks.<br>
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I think before other options I'll look into the built-in SWORD
versification functions. But anyway, thanks for sharing this
resource!</p>
<p>Tobias<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/6/20 6:40 PM, Jamie wrote:<br>
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really, I’m afraid – I have written code myself to handle
it, but it’s very tightly bound into the STEP system, and
it’s not really in a form where it would be easy to use it
for other purposes. I agree that the data looks very
complicated at first sight, but it may not be quite as bad
as you think: the file actually contains the same data
twice, once in a compact form and once in a less compact
form. I struggled with it when I first used it, but the
less compact form isn’t too bad once you get used to it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US"> Tobias Klein [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:contact@tklein.info">mailto:contact@tklein.info</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 06 May 2020 17:05<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Jamie,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks. I had a look at the data, that’s
quite complex! Even a bit intimidating ...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I suppose STEPBible has some library
functions that parse this data?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Can you point me to any APIs?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Tobias<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 06.05.2020 um 15:04 schrieb
Jamie <<a href="mailto:araj@critos.co.uk"
moz-do-not-send="true">araj@critos.co.uk</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Tobias,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Not
sure that this exactly answers your question, but
just in case it’s relevant, Tyndale House have
various public domain information available,
including material on alternative versification
schemes. The reversification material gives
details of how to map LXX, MT and Vulgate schemes
on to NRSVA (and also addresses some other schemes
which are perhaps less frequently encountered).
It also caters for common variants which basically
follow one of these schemes, but which have
certain verses split up into subverses. You can
find the data at :-</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If
you do want to make use of it, I’d be very happy
to try to answer any questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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“Jamie” Jamieson</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-US"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">Tobias Klein [<a
href="mailto:contact@tklein.info"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:contact@tklein.info</a>]<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>05 May
2020 21:19<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>SWORD
Developers' Collaboration Forum <<a
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<b>Subject:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[sword-devel]
Versification Mapping</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
would like to ask a question that I was planning to
ask for a while already ...<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
What's the recommended solution of mapping different
versification systems?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">And
what working implementations for this are already out
there?<br>
<br>
I realize that my understanding of versifications has
been a bit limited and that's visible in Ezra
Project's implementation of the mapping. I am
currently only differentiating between two
versification systems, namely the English
versification (used in most/all (?) English
translations) and the Hebrew versification (used in
most modern German translations).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">It's
been a few years since I looked into this and I think
this has been my source (SBL Handbook of Style)<br>
<a
href="https://books.google.de/books?id=M_upBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA265&lpg=PA265&dq=appendix+english/hebrew/greek+versification&source=bl&ots=CXVR0J6YrI&sig=ACfU3U3hEIPgNxmmUQW1kZJaRAtHl78L-g&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwilyoPUwp3pAhUrzqYKHVk4BtIQ6AEwAXoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=appendix%20english%2Fhebrew%2Fgreek%20versification&f=false"
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">My
current approach in Ezra Project to map between
English and Hebrew versification is the following:<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">I
use "absolute verse numbers" in each book.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">I
have mapping tables that basically define offsets
for the "absolute verse numbers" (see implementation<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://github.com/tobias-klein/ezra-project/blob/master/models/versereference.js#L177"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:purple">here</span></a>).<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">The
versification (currently only English or Hebrew) of
the respective translation is detected based on some
simple dynamic tests when opening it.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">I
have functions to convert between one and the other
"absolute verse numbers" based on the mapping.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">Verse
Reference objects are stored both with the English
and Hebrew absolute verse numbers and these objects
are used for assigning tags, notes, etc.<o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">This
works fairly well when using English translations and
German translations. The result is for example that
tags that were assigned to verses of an English
translation still show up correctly for the verses in
a German translation. This is particularly visible in
Psalms.<br>
<br>
How flawed is my current approach described above?<br>
How do other frontends do it?<br>
Have there been plans to somehow integrate some sort
of mapping functionality into the SWORD engine?<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Tobias<o:p></o:p></p>
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