<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">For the parser built into Java, the schema (BTW, a nitpick, it’s not a DTD) needs to be local. It will not go across the network to retrieve it.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">DM Smith<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 15, 2019, at 10:36 AM, David Haslam <<a href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com" class="">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""> <div class="">Ah - but you do have to somewhere have an accessible copy of the DTD file. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You can change its path to something else online (CrossWire or eBible) or (faster still) somewhere local and validation will work. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But you have to first know that this is required, especially if you use a conversion script that uses the original path for the schema. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As Tom explains, the other instances of the URL are not used for remote access. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">David</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div id="protonmail_mobile_signature_block" class="">Sent from ProtonMail Mobile</div> <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div>On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 14:26, Tom Sullivan <<a href="mailto:info@beforgiven.info" class="">info@beforgiven.info</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"> Y'all:<br class=""><br class="">If this question involves the use of that address <a href="http://www.bibletechnologies.net" class="">www.bibletechnologies.net</a><br class="">with respect to XML and validation of an XML file, please note that it<br class="">has been a point of general confusion for XML users, but the address is<br class="">only a unique identifier. There is no need for any parser or validator<br class="">to actually access that URL. This is a rather obscure point.<br class=""><br class="">If the question is otherwise, sorry for another email.<br class=""><br class="">Tom Sullivan<br class=""><a href="mailto:info@BeForgiven.INFO" class="">info@BeForgiven.INFO</a><br class="">FAX: 815-301-2835<br class="">---------------------<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On 3/15/19 10:11 AM, David Haslam wrote:<br class="">> As regards the BibleTech conference.<br class="">><br class="">> Much though I’d love to come to something I’ve never been to, there are<br class="">> personal circumstances preventing it this year.<br class="">><br class="">> If Troy does attend, please can something be done about the permanent<br class="">> timeout that occurs for the domain specified in the OSIS header!<br class="">><br class="">> http://www.bibletechnologies.net/<br class="">><br class="">> This still needs fixing, even if the OSIS committee no longer convenes.<br class="">><br class="">> Who is able to unravel this ?<br class="">><br class="">> Best regards,<br class="">><br class="">> David<br class="">><br class="">> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 00:44, Troy A. Griffitts <scribe@crosswire.org<br class="">> <mailto:scribe@crosswire.org>> wrote:<br class="">>><br class="">>> To piggy-back on what Peter is saying... from the last few emails, I<br class="">>> am not sure everyone is on the same page...<br class="">>><br class="">>> Michael Paul Johnson already converts the free DBL texts to SWORD<br class="">>> modules automatically and makes them available for all of our software<br class="">>> (the ebible.org remote installation source). As Peter says, I don't<br class="">>> believe an automated conversion of USX to OSIS is ideal, but it works<br class="">>> well enough to mostly read the text. I think Michael has done the<br class="">>> best job he can do with an automated conversion of USX to OSIS to<br class="">>> SWORD module.<br class="">>><br class="">>> My previous encouragement to proceed to pursue one Bible of interest<br class="">>> with a publisher was not an encouragement to do this with the intent<br class="">>> to start a 3rd party company to sell content for CrossWire software<br class="">>> for that publisher. My encouragement was to follow our policy and<br class="">>> negotiate as a volunteer of CrossWire and explain CrossWire's policy<br class="">>> to the publisher and offer to do the work and let the publisher sell<br class="">>> their unlock key. To be clear, I would discourage anyone from<br class="">>> pursuing an effort to start another organization to become a middleman<br class="">>> selling publisher data for CrossWire software. There are very good<br class="">>> reasons we are a non-income organization and it has served us well.<br class="">>> It removes jealousy from any individual making money from the<br class="">>> collaboration of so many. I would make very clear to any publisher we<br class="">>> speak with that we discourage and do not endorse any organization who<br class="">>> wishes to sell that publishers content for CrossWire software, other<br class="">>> than the publisher themselves. To repeat, I am not against modern<br class="">>> content being sold for CrossWire software. We have spent much effort<br class="">>> into facilitating this for publishers and have a plan for them which<br class="">>> they have been happy to follow. Summarily, in my experience over the<br class="">>> past 5 years, any publisher I have pursued has been willing to take<br class="">>> advantage of our current policy, as I have explained. They are happy<br class="">>> to sell their own content. They are surprised we don't want a cut.<br class="">>> They appreciate our ministry. Please do not try to solve a problem<br class="">>> which you have not yet run up against. The issue is motivated<br class="">>> volunteers. We have had people take this up in the past. Here is our<br class="">>> last effort:<br class="">>><br class="">>> http://crosswire.org/sword/copyright/<br class="">>><br class="">>> It has been so long ago, I can't remember who was leading that<br class="">>> effort. It has long been defunct, but the goals were all aligned with<br class="">>> our community. Reach out to publishers, explain what we offer them,<br class="">>> keep track of contacts and history of communication, encourage other<br class="">>> volunteers to understand our policies and get involved to push a pet<br class="">>> text forward.<br class="">>><br class="">>> Please feel free to do the hard work of following our policy to<br class="">>> negotiate, obtain data, convert, encipher, and give the key back to<br class="">>> the publisher to sell... the ultimate end would be for them to even<br class="">>> manage their own remote install source, which we are happy to add to<br class="">>> our autodiscovery registry.<br class="">>><br class="">>> Please also be specific here as to which text you are pursuing. We may<br class="">>> already have a relationship. For example, I am personally involved<br class="">>> with the Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft (the German Bible Society which<br class="">>> Tobias mentions) and those who make the online distribution decisions<br class="">>> for copyrighted material. It would be strange for someone else to<br class="">>> email them cold and say, "Hey, I represent CrossWire." If you want to<br class="">>> pursue a text which I've not yet spoken to them about, I am happy to<br class="">>> introduce you.<br class="">>><br class="">>> Regarding other modern material in digital libraries from Logos, et<br class="">>> al., Tyndale House attempts to fill this void of producing freely<br class="">>> available modern scholarship. As David Haslam has mentioned, much of<br class="">>> their material is in SWORD format. I believe their intent is to<br class="">>> ultimate make their remote install repository fully SWORD compatible<br class="">>> and for us to add it to our autodiscovery registry so our other<br class="">>> frontends can use their great materials. Currently, only their<br class="">>> JSword-based STEP application accesses their materials now and it uses<br class="">>> some material which is not in our module storage format. David<br class="">>> Instone-Brewer is the contact there and we should touch base with them<br class="">>> again to see where things stand.<br class="">>><br class="">>> Some of these digital publishers, e.g., Logos, also secure exclusive<br class="">>> digital rights from content creators to distribute their work<br class="">>> digitally. They justify this by saying that they partially fund the<br class="">>> research by paying for exclusive rights. Anyway, that's a completely<br class="">>> different topic...<br class="">>><br class="">>> Which reminds me...<br class="">>><br class="">>> Is anyone going to BibleTech this year? I haven't been for a really<br class="">>> long time. The last time I believe is when I met Karl there!<br class="">>><br class="">>> https://faithlife.com/bibletech<br class="">>><br class="">>> In Him,<br class="">>><br class="">>> Troy<br class="">>><br class="">>><br class="">>> On 3/13/19 3:01 PM, refdoc@gmx.net wrote:<br class="">>>> I think it is simply inappropriate for an external organisation<br class="">>>> to.negotiate on behalf of or instead of CrossWire<br class="">>>><br class="">>>> Further I am really upset about the confusing of the "problem" with<br class="">>>> popular but expensive and hence unavailable texts and the other stuff<br class="">>>> in DBL. We have excellent relationships with many Bible societies and<br class="">>>> now you setting up something which confuses this is simply wrong.<br class="">>>><br class="">>>> If you must, concentrate on NIV etc, but please do not create an<br class="">>>> alternative path for publication of CrossWire modules for the bulk of<br class="">>>> this world's languages<br class="">>>><br class="">>>> Wrt bulk conversion. Does not work and those who think it does have<br class="">>>> not worked long enough with texts to the standard we want to see in<br class="">>>> CrissWire<br class="">>>><br class="">>>> Peter<br class="">>>><br class="">>>> Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and weird<br class="">>>> autocorrects.<br class="">>>><br class="">>>><br class="">>>> -------- Original Message --------<br class="">>>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Platform for the distribution of non-free<br class="">>>> Sword Modules<br class="">>>> From: Tobias Klein<br class="">>>> To: Dominique Corbex ,SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum<br class="">>>> CC:<br class="">>>><br class="">>>><br class="">>>> On 13.03.19 13:14, Dominique Corbex wrote:<br class="">>>> > In France, people use modern (non-free) translation too, but<br class="">>>> *printed*<br class="">>>> > Bibles.<br class="">>>> > Some people I know have installed Bible apps on their phones<br class="">>>> but are not willing to pay for a non-free version.<br class="">>>> > And for good reason, popular modern translation have their own<br class="">>>> free apps on Play Store:<br class="">>>> > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=air.com.SBG.s21)<br class="">>>> > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.book.bible.bds<br class="">>>> > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bible.jang.frpdv<br class="">>>> > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=bible.parole.de.vie<br class="">>>><br class="">>>> Apps are often times available with non-free translations for<br class="">>>> free, but<br class="">>>> that's not the case for decent desktop bible study software.<br class="">>>> Even if the market is reduced to desktop bible study programs,<br class="">>>> that's<br class="">>>> still a rather large market where Sword-based software could<br class="">>>> increase<br class="">>>> its share.<br class="">>>> Desktop bible study software is often times used by people in<br class="">>>> ministries<br class="">>>> (teaching/preaching/bible study preparation). And these kind of<br class="">>>> users<br class="">>>> are usually also ready to pay.<br class="">>>><br class="">>>> Best regards,<br class="">>>> Tobias<br class="">>>><br class="">>>><br class="">>>> _______________________________________________<br class="">>>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org<br class="">>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel<br class="">>>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page<br class="">>>><br class="">>>><br class="">>>> _______________________________________________<br class="">>>> sword-devel mailing list:sword-devel@crosswire.org<br class="">>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel<br class="">>>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> ______________________________________________________________________<br class="">> This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service.<br class="">> For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com<br class="">> ______________________________________________________________________<br class="">><br class="">> _______________________________________________<br class="">> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org<br class="">> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel<br class="">> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page<br class="">><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org<br class="">http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel<br class="">Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page</blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">sword-devel mailing list: <a href="mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org" class="">sword-devel@crosswire.org</a><br class=""><a href="http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel" class="">http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel</a><br class="">Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page</div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>