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<p>A few thoughts...</p>
<p>How do we envisage a frontend displaying this text? Do we expect
each frontend to have special logic for displaying if there is a
variation of the chapter? Consider all the various display cases:
single Bible view, parallel Bible view, search results, etc...
For example, if this module is included in a parallel display with
a second module (say, Hebrew), what do we expect to happen if a
chapter is displayed which includes an alternative chapter?</p>
<p>I don't have any good ideas which avoid frontends including
special logic for something like this, which isn't reasonable. We
do have at least one other scenario which is similar: Rahlfs' LXX,
which includes alternate traditions for books. We also struggled
with the best way to capture and display this. More difficult,
Ralhfs uses a differing versification for alternate book
traditions. We did proof of concepts with adding Alt books to an
LXX versification, allowing LXX Book versifications to have enough
chapter, book max to cover either tradition, creating a single
module, having 2 modules-- the second having only the alternate
traditions. I don't recall where we left off on that or what
strategy our current Rahlfs Bible uses. Our CATSS LXX GenBook
includes book traditions as 'A' and 'B',</p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://crosswire.org/study/bookdisplay.jsp?mod=LXXM">http://crosswire.org/study/bookdisplay.jsp?mod=LXXM</a></p>
<p>But that just punts on the problem and uses GenBook because
doesn't need to solve the problem of relating 'A' and 'B' together
somehow.</p>
<p>Just some thoughts,</p>
<p>Troy <br>
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<div>The best solution may be to have two SMP modules each with
150 Psalms; one to have the V1s and the other to have the V2s
for the Psalms with 2 versions. </div>
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<div>NB. The canonical title should also be supplied for the
Version 2.</div>
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<div>These Psalms could be given an extra technical note to
explain further. </div>
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<div>138 Psalms would appear exactly the same in both modules, but
the convenience more than compensates for the duplications. </div>
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<div>Thoughts?</div>
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<div>In response to DM, I think that's the wrong approach, as it
would be confusing to mix two different metres for how the
same Psalm was metrified in English.<br>
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<div>What's required is <b>whole chapters</b> as 2 different
variants.<br>
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<div>There are 25 lines containing the word '<b>version</b>':<br>
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<div><span style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new,
monospace, sans-serif;">s2 First Version</span><span
style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new, monospace,
sans-serif;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new,
monospace, sans-serif;">s2 Second Version</span><span
style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new, monospace,
sans-serif;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new,
monospace, sans-serif;">s2 First Version (S.M.)</span><span
style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new, monospace,
sans-serif;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new,
monospace, sans-serif;">s2 Second Version</span><span
style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new, monospace,
sans-serif;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new,
monospace, sans-serif;">s2 First Version</span><span
style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new, monospace,
sans-serif;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new,
monospace, sans-serif;">s2 Second Version</span><span
style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new, monospace,
sans-serif;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new,
monospace, sans-serif;">s2 First Version</span><span
style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new, monospace,
sans-serif;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new,
monospace, sans-serif;">s2 Second Version</span><span
style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new, monospace,
sans-serif;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new,
monospace, sans-serif;">s2 First Version</span><span
style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new, monospace,
sans-serif;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new,
monospace, sans-serif;">s2 Second Version</span><span
style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new, monospace,
sans-serif;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new,
monospace, sans-serif;">s2 First Version</span><span
style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new, monospace,
sans-serif;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new,
monospace, sans-serif;">s2 Second Version</span><span
style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new, monospace,
sans-serif;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new,
monospace, sans-serif;">s2 First Version - this version was
retained from the 1562 English and 1564 Scottish Psalters.
It is by William Kethe.</span><span style="font-family:
menlo, consolas, courier new, monospace, sans-serif;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new,
monospace, sans-serif;">s2 Second Version<br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new,
monospace, sans-serif;">cl Psalm 102 There is also a Long
Metre version below *</span><span style="font-family:
menlo, consolas, courier new, monospace, sans-serif;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new,
monospace, sans-serif;">s2 First Version</span><span
style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new, monospace,
sans-serif;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new,
monospace, sans-serif;">s2 Second Version</span><span
style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new, monospace,
sans-serif;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new,
monospace, sans-serif;">s2 First Version (8.7.8.7. Iambic)</span><span
style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new, monospace,
sans-serif;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new,
monospace, sans-serif;">s2 Second Version (6.6.6.6.8.8.)
This is a slightly modified version of the Psalm as it first
appeared in the Scottish Psalter of 1564 *</span><span
style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new, monospace,
sans-serif;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new,
monospace, sans-serif;">s2 First Version (C.M.)<br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new,
monospace, sans-serif;">s2 Second Version (6.6.6.6.D.)</span><span
style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new, monospace,
sans-serif;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new,
monospace, sans-serif;">s2 First Version</span><span
style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new, monospace,
sans-serif;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new,
monospace, sans-serif;">s2 Second Version</span><span
style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new, monospace,
sans-serif;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new,
monospace, sans-serif;">s2 First version</span><span
style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new, monospace,
sans-serif;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: menlo, consolas, courier new,
monospace, sans-serif;">s2 Second Version (6.6.6.6.8.8.)</span><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div>As you can see, one of these instances is simply within a
note. <br>
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<div>So there are in fact 12 Psalms that have a second metrical
version.<br>
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<div> On Saturday, 12 January 2019 13:55, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:refdoc@gmx.net">refdoc@gmx.net</a>
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<div>Ah, yes, sorry<br>
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<div>Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Second versions, Scottish
Metric Psalter<br>
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<div>From: David Haslam <br>
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<div>To: DM Smith <br>
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<div>CC: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum <br>
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<div><a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="https://github.com/refdoc/The-Scottish-Metric-Psalter-1650" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: monospace; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: pre-wrap; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/refdoc/The-Scottish-Metric-Psalter-1650</a><span
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<div>If you make one module do it as variations verse by
verse. JSword works on this basis. Each needs to be
well-formed XML. Otherwise it will toss the markup.<br>
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<div>Do the canonical headings vary too? That might
pose a single module problem.<br>
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<div>David and I have discussed supporting multiple
KJV modules from a single xml doc using a filter
(e.g. XSLT) to produce subsets. Examples, with
Apocrypha, without such, long s variant, .....<br>
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<div>I already have a couple of <span
style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0)">XSLT </span>filters
that others requested: no notes or Strong’s numbers;
Plaintext.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">In Him,<br>
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<div>On Jan 12, 2019, at 7:38 AM, David Haslam <<a
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<div>Never looked at it. Why?<br>
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<div>Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Second
versions, Scottish Metric Psalter<br>
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<div>From: David Haslam <br>
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<div>To: <a
href="mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org"
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<div>CC: <br>
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<div>You mean the Samaritan Pentateuch Dead
Sea Scrolls variant module SPDSS isn't
rather more of an overkill ?<br>
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<div>Have you ever looked at the contents?<br>
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<div>I was about to suggest the same as Tom
Sullivan did.<br>
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<div>A second module with just the
alternative versions of these 11 or 12
Psalms,<br>
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<div>But is there a third metrical version
of any Psalm?<br>
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<div>> Peter:<br>
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<div>> Suggestion: Make 2 modules, one
for each translation. Most front<br>
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<div>> will do parallel display.<br>
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<div>For 11 or 12 (I need to count them)
psalms that seems overkill.<br>
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