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<div>Thanks for responding Michael. </div>
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<div>I’ve not done any work on the CPDV other than module
analysis. </div>
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<div>Cyrille, </div>
<div>I cannot post to this mailing list any useful list of
projects for which I have obtained USFM or OSIS files. <br>
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Yes, ok maybe in private? We can continue to speak about it and git
repo for it.<br>
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On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 16:12, Michael H <<a
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style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">I have
sources for CPDV. I've been working with Ron Conte early
this year from January - May. They are complete except for
the phrasing of poetic books. However, I'm not working on
them right now. I'll contact you off list. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 9:25 AM Cyrille <<a
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03/12/2018 à 20:15, David Haslam a écrit :<br>
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<div>It's generally safe to assume that taking the
initiative to work towards a module update or new
module release is unlikely to duplicate work already
started by another volunteer.</div>
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I just ask if I can work on CPDV because I didn't have
answer about sources. Just to be sure you don't have osis
or usfm files. Is it possible to publish a list of the
sources of all module you have? Or it's not possible?<br>
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<div>Once you've dived in and got deep into the details,
the fact that you may need to ask a technical question
about module development in that specific context,
this will alert CrossWire about what you're aiming to
accomplish. </div>
<div><br>
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<div>Finding by coincidence that two volunteers have
independently taken the initiative for the same task
is such a rare event that I can't think of an instance
when this has happened. Even so, it often succeeds
better when a pair of CrossWire volunteers choose to
work together on such a project. "Two are better than
one" as the writer of Ecclesiastes taught. </div>
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<div>Nobody needs to ask CrossWire for permission to
pick up a task in modules and run with it.</div>
<div>As long as all the requirements for module
submissions are met, it's unlikely that any other
CrossWire volunteer will object to your active
involvement. </div>
<div><br>
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<div>Module updates for those where a text source is
specified in the .conf file may require getting the
owner of the text to become involved in making
corrections to the text that they host.</div>
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<div>Best regards,</div>
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<div>David </div>
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On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 18:46, Cyrille <<a
href="mailto:lafricain79@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">lafricain79@gmail.com</a>>
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type="cite"> As we don't know if a module enter in the
first case (not maintain) or the second (retain copies
of source text files), you can understand that the
question about source is relevant :)<br>
Maybe you can give us a date about when the module
team retains copies? After that it will be easier to
know if you have or no sources.<br>
I understand also something about a collaborator who
leave the module team? <span
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class="m_7221037717074695758short_text" lang="en"><span>I
am not informed about this.<br>
And maybe the gitlab private repo will be really
help full. We spoke already about it.<br>
The problem of source is really important because
if we can't access to it, we can't help you :) Is
it imaginable to create this kind of gitlab repo
with all the source you have already? If someone
want to check you can give him access, even </span></span><span
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lang="en"><span>temporary.<br>
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I'm just looking for solution.<br>
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<div class="m_7221037717074695758moz-cite-prefix">Le
03/12/2018 à 17:14, David Haslam a écrit :<br>
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<div>This has been stated on numerous occasions.<br>
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<div><b>CrossWire as a Society does not maintain the
authoritative source text for modules except for
very few cases, namely the KJV & KJVA
modules.</b><br>
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<div>Individual volunteers may indeed have [had]
access to working copies of source texts for some
modules as part of past or ongoing work in
progress.<br>
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<div>However, when such module issues were reported,
this is generally because the reporting was done
in the role of a user making observations from
module testing or analysis - rather than as a
module developer and/or source text collaborator.<br>
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<div>That a certain volunteer went AWOL (having left
CrossWire and in effect cut himself off from
further contact) this simply means that his
knowledge, skills, <i>ad hoc</i> working scripts,
customised software tools and file resources are
no longer available to other volunteers. The trail
went cold. We simply have to begin again from
scratch on these issues.<br>
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<div>Now of course, there are volunteers such as
myself and several others that are active in
source text development collaboration with third
parties.<br>
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<div>This enables us to provide a benefit to those
not directly involved in Bible translation
activities in the various well-established Bible
agencies and societies.<br>
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<div>i.e. Because such people are often using
something other than ParaTExt (or Bibledit) to
maintain their source text. <br>
</div>
<div>We have various software skills and some tools
that can assist such providers get their source
text into a format (USFM & OSIS)<br>
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<div> that is more amenable for electronic
publishing in forms suitable for Bible software in
general and including SWORD modules for
distribution by CrossWire.<br>
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<div>For the present "modules team", in projects
that are likely to go through more than one
iteration, every effort is being made to retain
copies of source text files.<br>
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<div>But keeping a working copy is not the same as
maintaining an authoritative source. We're back to
ownership, provenance and version control matters.<br>
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<div><br>
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<div>Generally, for copyrighted works, these should
be kept in a private repository, and only shared
with others where collaboration is essential.<br>
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<div>Even so, that still leaves a lot of
collaboration work where the files for work in
progress are probably stored only on the
individual volunteer's computer rather than in
accessible cloud services such as GitHub or
GitLab, etc. <br>
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<div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br>
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<div> On Monday, 3 December 2018 15:01, Cyrille <a
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03/12/2018 à 14:45, David Haslam a écrit :<br>
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<div>Posting comments on multiple issues that
are several years old that simply ask
questions like "Do you have the source?"
don't get us anywhere forward soon.<br>
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<div> They can even become a distraction in
the originator's email notifications.<br>
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<div>Ok I understand, but when you (or the team)
build the modules you had some source no? Where
are this sources? Didn't you keep the osis files
or usfm file when you had it? Just CPDV as
example. I would like to be sure nobody keeps
usfm or osis file before working on it.<br>
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<div>Some of these old issues were originally
added by me as long ago as 2011 when
CrossWire still had someone responsible for
building the original modules.<br>
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<div>They were added on the assumption that this
person would have known the module history and
was in a position to do all the necessary
work.<br>
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<div>That he went AWOL and these issues are
still open essentially means that to make any
progress now, someone will need to champion
each module, do the research, find the latest
source text, do the conversion to OSIS,
rebuild and test the module, and check that
the issue is then fixed, before submitting to
the Modules Team.<br>
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<div>I will not be adding replies to new
comments unless I have new information to hand
that was unavailable when each issue were
created.<br>
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<div>David<br>
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<div>On Sunday, 2 December 2018 19:21, Cyrille <a
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<div>Please Peter, can you post even if you
don't have the source? It will be easier,
because I post on multiples issues, I don't
remember exactly which...<br>
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02/12/2018 à 18:54, DM Smith a écrit :<br>
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<div>The Internet Wayback Machine is useful
for dead URLs. I’ve used it to find
resources no longer available and to make
contact w people. <br>
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<div>From my phone. Brief. Weird
autocorrections. <br>
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<div>On Dec 2, 2018, at 10:47 AM, "<a
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<div>Regarding how to find source:<br>
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<div>In our newer and better modules a
source is given in the conf file. But
sometimes that link is now dead.<br>
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shortness, typos and weird
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<div>Subject: [sword-devel] Modules,
Tracker - some remarks<br>
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<div>From: <a
href="mailto:refdoc@gmx.net"
target="_blank"
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<div>To: sword-devel <br>
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<div>CC: <br>
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<div>Hi to all<br>
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<div>1) I am so pleased and grateful
for all the activity checking and
testing modules wrt issues
mentioned on the tracker<br>
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<div><br>
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<div>2) There is a substantial
minority of modules we do have
source texts for (around 100) and
I hold the key for them. They can
not be shared to anyone, usually,
as they tend to be not public
domain texts. But the upshot for
them is, I feel responsible in a
direct way for them and take care
of much in these weeks. So if you
see me commenting on a module as
the matter being in work, just
move on , as it is in hand. <br>
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<div>3) There is a majority of
texts, and some of them are very
old in terms of CrossWire and we
need to find sources for them,
because we do not hold them. So,
if you do not see me commenting
that things are in hand, the
module clearly requires a rebuilt
and you want to push this actively
forward, go and find the source. <br>
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<div>4) How to find sources:<br>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>Many public domain texts have
been pushed forward and backward
between projects since the start
of the internet, are in a poor
state and badly or not at all
marked up, forced into KJV
versification , or sometimes even
chopped up in order to support
sectarian views. Commonly for
important texts though there
exists somewhere someone who has
decided to fix things. People who
do try and fix things make this
often very clear. Others
refer/defer to them. It pays to
get into direct contact with them
to establish a link and maybe even
let them produce OSIS or USFM for
our use. We certainly always want
to feed back any and all
improvements we make to Mark Up
etc.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>5)You find good authoritative
source, put at least the link
underneath the tracker and explain
shortly why this is in your view
the best source, particularly if
there is a big choice. If you want
to go and start working on a
module, even better<br>
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<div>Thanks again to all!<br>
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