<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">Cyrille, </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">I have sources for CPDV.  I&#39;ve been working with Ron Conte early this year from January - May. They are complete except for the phrasing of poetic books.  However, I&#39;m not working on them right now. I&#39;ll contact you off list. </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 9:25 AM Cyrille &lt;<a href="mailto:lafricain79@gmail.com">lafricain79@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <div class="m_7221037717074695758moz-cite-prefix">Le 03/12/2018 à 20:15, David Haslam a
      écrit :<br>
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      <div>It&#39;s generally safe to assume that taking the initiative to
        work towards a module update or new module release is unlikely
        to duplicate work already started by another volunteer.</div>
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      </div>
    </blockquote>
    I just ask if I can work on CPDV because I didn&#39;t have answer about
    sources. Just to be sure you don&#39;t have osis or usfm files. Is it
    possible to publish a list of the sources of all module you have? Or
    it&#39;s not possible?<br>
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      <div>Once you&#39;ve dived in and got deep into the details, the fact
        that you may need to ask a technical question about module
        development in that specific context, this will alert CrossWire
        about what you&#39;re aiming to accomplish. </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Finding by coincidence that two volunteers have independently
        taken the initiative for the same task is such a rare event that
        I can&#39;t think of an instance when this has happened. Even so, it
        often succeeds better when a pair of CrossWire volunteers choose
        to work together on such a project. &quot;Two are better than one&quot; as
        the writer of Ecclesiastes taught. </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Nobody needs to ask CrossWire for permission to pick up a
        task in modules and run with it.</div>
      <div>As long as all the requirements for module submissions are
        met, it&#39;s unlikely that any other CrossWire volunteer will
        object to your active involvement. </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Module updates for those where a text source is specified in
        the .conf file may require getting the owner of the text to
        become involved in making corrections to the text that they
        host.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Best regards,</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>David </div>
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      <div id="m_7221037717074695758protonmail_mobile_signature_block">Sent from ProtonMail
        Mobile</div>
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      On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 18:46, Cyrille &lt;<a href="mailto:lafricain79@gmail.com" target="_blank">lafricain79@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
      <blockquote class="m_7221037717074695758protonmail_quote" type="cite"> As we don&#39;t know
        if a module enter in the first case (not maintain) or the second
        (retain copies of source text files),  you can understand that
        the question about source is relevant :)<br>
        Maybe you can give us a date about when the module team retains
        copies? After that it will be easier to know if you have or no
        sources.<br>
        I understand also something about a collaborator who leave the
        module team? <span id="m_7221037717074695758result_box" class="m_7221037717074695758short_text" lang="en"><span>I am not informed about this.<br>
            And maybe the gitlab private repo will be really help full.
            We spoke already about it.<br>
            The problem of source is really important because if we
            can&#39;t access to it, we can&#39;t help you :) Is it imaginable to
            create this kind of gitlab repo with all the source you have
            already? If someone want to check you can give him access,
            even </span></span><span id="m_7221037717074695758result_box" class="m_7221037717074695758short_text" lang="en"><span><span id="m_7221037717074695758result_box" class="m_7221037717074695758short_text" lang="en"><span>temporary.<br>
                <br>
                I&#39;m just looking for solution.<br>
                <br>
              </span></span></span></span>
        <div class="m_7221037717074695758moz-cite-prefix">Le 03/12/2018 à 17:14, David Haslam
          a écrit :<br>
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        <blockquote type="cite">
          <div>This has been stated on numerous occasions.<br>
          </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div><b>CrossWire as a Society does not maintain the
              authoritative source text for modules except for very few
              cases, namely the KJV &amp; KJVA modules.</b><br>
          </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Individual volunteers may indeed have [had] access to
            working copies of source texts for some modules as part of
            past or ongoing work in progress.<br>
          </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>However, when such module issues were reported, this is
            generally because the reporting was done in the role of a
            user making observations from module testing or analysis - 
            rather than as a module developer and/or source text
            collaborator.<br>
          </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>That a certain volunteer went AWOL (having left CrossWire
            and in effect cut himself off from further contact) this
            simply means that his knowledge, skills, <i>ad hoc</i>
            working scripts, customised software tools and file
            resources are no longer available to other volunteers. The
            trail went cold. We simply have to begin again from scratch
            on these issues.<br>
          </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Now of course, there are volunteers such as myself and
            several others that are active in source text development
            collaboration with third parties.<br>
          </div>
          <div>This enables us to provide a benefit to those not
            directly involved in Bible translation activities in the
            various well-established Bible agencies and societies.<br>
          </div>
          <div>i.e. Because such people are often using something other
            than ParaTExt (or Bibledit) to maintain their source text. <br>
          </div>
          <div>We have various software skills and some tools that can
            assist such providers get their source text into a format
            (USFM &amp; OSIS)<br>
          </div>
          <div> that is more amenable for electronic publishing in forms
            suitable for Bible software in general and including SWORD
            modules for distribution by CrossWire.<br>
          </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>For the present &quot;modules team&quot;, in projects that are
            likely to go through more than one iteration, every effort
            is being made to retain copies of source text files.<br>
          </div>
          <div>But keeping a working copy is not the same as maintaining
            an authoritative source. We&#39;re back to ownership, provenance
            and version control matters.<br>
          </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Generally, for copyrighted works, these should be kept in
            a private repository, and only shared with others where
            collaboration is essential.<br>
          </div>
          <div>Even so, that still leaves a lot of collaboration work
            where the files for work in progress are probably stored
            only on the individual volunteer&#39;s computer rather than in
            accessible cloud services such as GitHub or GitLab, etc. <br>
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              <div>Best regards,<br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>David<br>
              </div>
            </div>
            <div><br>
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            <div class="m_7221037717074695758protonmail_signature_block-proton">Sent with <a href="https://protonmail.com" target="_blank">ProtonMail</a> Secure Email.<br>
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          <div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br>
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          <div> On Monday, 3 December 2018 15:01, Cyrille <a class="m_7221037717074695758moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lafricain79@gmail.com" target="_blank">&lt;lafricain79@gmail.com&gt;</a>
            wrote:<br>
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          <div> <br>
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            <div class="m_7221037717074695758moz-cite-prefix">Le 03/12/2018 à 14:45, David
              Haslam a écrit :<br>
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            <blockquote type="cite">
              <div>
                <div>Posting comments on multiple issues that are
                  several years old that simply ask questions like &quot;Do
                  you have the source?&quot; don&#39;t get us anywhere forward
                  soon.<br>
                </div>
                <div> They can even become a distraction in the
                  originator&#39;s email notifications.<br>
                </div>
              </div>
            </blockquote>
            <div>Ok I understand, but when you (or the team) build the
              modules you had some source no? Where are this sources?
              Didn&#39;t you keep the osis files or usfm file when you had
              it? Just CPDV as example. I would like to be sure nobody
              keeps usfm or osis file before working on it.<br>
            </div>
            <div> <br>
            </div>
            <blockquote type="cite">
              <div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Some of these old issues were originally added by
                  me as long ago as 2011 when CrossWire still had
                  someone responsible for building the original modules.<br>
                </div>
              </div>
              <div>They were added on the assumption that this person
                would have known the module history and was in a
                position to do all the necessary work.<br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>That he went AWOL and these issues are still open
                essentially means that to make any progress now, someone
                will need to champion each module, do the research, find
                the latest source text, do the conversion to OSIS,
                rebuild and test the module, and check that the issue is
                then fixed, before submitting to the Modules Team.<br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>I will not be adding replies to new comments unless I
                have new information to hand that was unavailable when
                each issue were created.<br>
              </div>
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                <div class="m_7221037717074695758protonmail_signature_block-user">
                  <div>Best regards,<br>
                  </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>David<br>
                  </div>
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                <div class="m_7221037717074695758protonmail_signature_block-proton">Sent with
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              <div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br>
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              <div>On Sunday, 2 December 2018 19:21, Cyrille <a href="mailto:lafricain79@gmail.com" target="_blank">&lt;lafricain79@gmail.com&gt;</a>
                wrote:<br>
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              <div><br>
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              <blockquote type="cite" class="m_7221037717074695758protonmail_quote">
                <div>Please Peter, can you post even if you don&#39;t have
                  the source? It will be easier, because I post on
                  multiples issues, I don&#39;t remember exactly which...<br>
                </div>
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                <div><br>
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                <div class="m_7221037717074695758moz-cite-prefix">Le 02/12/2018 à 18:54, DM
                  Smith a écrit :<br>
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                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div>The Internet Wayback Machine is useful for dead
                    URLs. I’ve used it to find resources no longer
                    available and to make contact w people. <br>
                  </div>
                  <div><br>
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                  <div><br>
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                    <div>— DM Smith <br>
                    </div>
                    <div>From my phone. Brief. Weird autocorrections. <br>
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                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>On Dec 2, 2018, at 10:47 AM, &quot;<a href="mailto:refdoc@gmx.net" target="_blank">refdoc@gmx.net</a>&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:refdoc@gmx.net" target="_blank">refdoc@gmx.net</a>&gt;
                      wrote:<br>
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                      <div>Regarding how to find source:<br>
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                      <div>In our newer and better modules a source is
                        given in the conf file. But sometimes that link
                        is now dead.<br>
                      </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Sent from my mobile. Please forgive
                        shortness, typos and weird autocorrects. <br>
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                        <div>-------- Original Message --------<br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Subject: [sword-devel] Modules, Tracker -
                          some remarks<br>
                        </div>
                        <div>From: <a href="mailto:refdoc@gmx.net" target="_blank">refdoc@gmx.net</a><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>To: sword-devel <br>
                        </div>
                        <div>CC: <br>
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                          <div>Hi to all<br>
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                          <div>1) I am so pleased and grateful for all
                            the activity checking and testing modules
                            wrt issues mentioned on the tracker<br>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>2) There is a substantial minority of
                            modules we do have source texts for (around
                            100) and I hold the key for them. They can
                            not be shared to anyone, usually, as they
                            tend to be not public domain texts. But the
                            upshot for them is, I feel responsible in a
                            direct way for them and take care of much in
                            these weeks. So if you see me commenting on
                            a module as the matter being in work, just
                            move on , as it is in hand. <br>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>3) There is a majority of texts, and some
                            of them are very old in terms of CrossWire
                            and we need to find sources for them,
                            because we do not hold them. So, if you do
                            not see me commenting that things are in
                            hand, the module clearly requires a rebuilt
                            and you want to push this actively forward,
                            go and find the source. <br>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>4) How to find sources:<br>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Many public domain texts have been pushed
                            forward and backward between projects since
                            the start of the internet, are in a poor
                            state and badly or not at all marked up,
                            forced into KJV versification , or sometimes
                            even chopped up in order to support
                            sectarian views. Commonly for important
                            texts though there exists somewhere someone
                            who has decided to fix things. People who do
                            try and fix things make this often very
                            clear. Others refer/defer to them. It pays
                            to get into direct contact with them to
                            establish a link and maybe even let them
                            produce OSIS or USFM for our use. We
                            certainly always want to feed back any and
                            all improvements we make to Mark Up etc.<br>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>5)You find good authoritative source, put
                            at least the link underneath the tracker and
                            explain shortly why this is in your view the
                            best source, particularly if there is a big
                            choice. If you want to go and start working
                            on a module, even better<br>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Thanks again to all!<br>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Sent from my mobile. Please forgive
                            shortness, typos and weird autocorrects.<br>
                          </div>
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