<div>Thanks Troy,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Very helpful background to the discussion and today's flurry of activity.<br></div><div>I just wish I'd been included <b>before</b> rather than after.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Admittedly, you never see me in the <b>IRC</b> channel for CrossWire or SWORD.<br><i>I've never found IRC an attractive means of communication, but that may just reflect my personal aptitudes to certain things.</i><i><br></i><i>e.g. A bit like why (e.g.) I use Facebook but have never bought into Twitter.</i></div><div><br></div><div>I'm all for correcting information that's either wrong or outdated.. I often try to do that myself.<br></div><div>I too try to perceive what it might be like to come to the wiki as a first-time visitor.<br></div><div><i>I can still recall what it was like for me in 2007, and that as an experienced Wikipedian.</i><br></div><div><br></div><div>One of the most under-used aspects of all wikis is the <b>Category</b> feature.<br></div><div>It's often easier to find out "What might be there" by this means than by <b>Search</b>.<br></div><div>Everyone editing or creating a page should aim to make certain the page is properly categorised.<br></div><div><br></div><div>So far today, although I've also been "editing like mad", I've refrained from doing all but one revert.<br><i>And that's a courtesy to <b>Karl</b> because of his announced two week absence.</i><br></div><div><br></div><div>Today's not been like I expected it to be.<br></div><div><br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block"><div class="protonmail_signature_block-user"><div>Best regards,<br></div><div><br></div><div>David<br></div></div><div><br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton">Sent with <a href="https://protonmail.com">ProtonMail</a> Secure Email.<br></div></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></div><div>Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Wiki writers - attention<br></div><div>Local Time: 8 January 2018 3:51 PM<br></div><div>UTC Time: 8 January 2018 15:51<br></div><div>From: scribe@crosswire.org<br></div><div>To: sword-devel@crosswire.org<br></div><div><br></div><div> <br></div><p>Thanks all for this effort. I woke up this morning delightfully
surprised. Just a little background to what sparked this.<br></p><p>A year or so ago when we moved to a new hosting facility, we used
the opportunity to begin migrating from RHEL 6 to RHEL 7 (CentOS,
really). We did this by encapsulating a current snapshot of the
RHEL 6 server into a VM and then proceeded to install 7 as the
host OS, running 6 on top as a guest. We have been slowly
migrating services from the 6 guest to the 7 host, in the hopes of
eventually retiring the guest.<br></p><div>The wiki is still running on the guest and has come up in discussion
a few times over the past couple weeks. I have long lamented the
lack of concise and pertinent information in our wiki. I imagine
myself as a new visitor to CrossWire and find the wiki difficult to
perceive the intent of which path I, as a new: core developer,
module creator, or user of the engine (thanks Tom, for enumerating
these), should walk down to get up to speed. Each time I visit the
wiki to find a link to send to someone who has asked a question, or
am searching for information myself, I realize how much information
is either wrong or rather, what pearls are right are submerged deep
in a sea of noise which a new visitor will have no idea how to swim
to find what we are trying to tell them is important. I guess
conciseness, clear direction, and accuracy are my main frustration.
As a developer, I want to read a little as possible to get up to
speed and when I don't know what is important, I trust only the
important information will be presented, as a courtesy to me, to
show value for my time.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> DM and I are the ones doing the server migration of services. I
mentioned my frustration regarding the wiki to DM and Peter
yesterday, pointing out the very first few lines, which I should
understand as most important, were entirely misleading or
irrelevant, giving a very bad impression. I asked if maybe the
migration of the wiki from guest to host might be a good time to
start fresh. Waking up this morning, it sounds like Peter ran with
it-- which, given Peter's character to "just do it," I should have
expected. I am grateful we have people who jump in and get things
done, and I am also grateful we have people, like David, who have
spent much of the their time curating many of the pages on the wiki,
even when he admittedly was not an expert in their content. I
accept that it is due to lack of participation from core and
frontend developers on the wiki that it has become so
unaccommodating for their kind.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Let's please work together to make the wiki again useful for all
those involved... and direct and concise, and not be offended when
the sea is drained to reveal only the pearls.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> All here are loved and appreciated. Let's share in work together on
this,<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Troy<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/08/2018 08:06 AM, jhphx wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div class="moz-cite-prefix"><div>For those that may not know, there
are auto utilities to check websites or lists of pages for
broken links and then generate a nice report on the nature of
the bad links. That report could even be posted, perhaps on its
own page.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Jerry<br></div><div> <br></div><div> On 1/8/2018 2:22 AM, David Haslam wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Dead links are a perennial problem. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the alert. <br></div><div><br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block">Best regards, David<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Sent from ProtonMail
Mobile<br></div><div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div>On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 09:18, L'Africain <<a class="" href="mailto:lafricain79@gmail.com">lafricain79@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote type="cite" class="protonmail_quote">About the
wiki, the link to the perl script to convert imp to osis is
dead. Le 08/01/2018 à 09:08, Peter von Kaehne a écrit : >
On Mon, 2018-01-08 at 07:40 +0000, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
>> We are currently engaging in a bit of culling and
pruning activity. > Project links: > > I am culling
all Project pages on the wiki back to the bare minimum -
> it is not useful to duplicate info and make new
developers think that > the outdated info on our pages is
all there is. > > Please help by keeping contact
details etc up date - for your own > projects in
particular (Project website, mailing lists, source, covered
> platforms) > > Peter > >
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