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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 07/01/2018 à 10:18, David Haslam a
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<div> Cyrille,</div>
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<div>Further thoughts...</div>
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<div>One kludgey way forward is to build two LXXM modules.</div>
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<div>1. With Joshua-A, Judges-A, etc.</div>
<div>2. With Joshua-B, Judges-B, etc</div>
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About this you give me already an answer for an interrogation, what
to do with the different versions? Then the best way is to create
two different modules? No way to add the different translation in
the same module?<br>
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<div>The .conf files About would each need to refer to the other
module.</div>
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<div>NB. SWORD does not allow a hyphen in a module name, but the
low line _ is a valid character.</div>
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On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 09:06, David Haslam <<a
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<div>Cyrille,</div>
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<div>Even if you build the module from IMP using imp2vs, any
duplicated verses will be overwritten by the occurrence in
the second instance.</div>
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<div>The module would thus lose content that exists in the
source text.</div>
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On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 07:33, Cyrille <<a
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 06/01/2018 à 21:19, David
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<div>Now that you understand that, does this change
anything regarding the proposed three new catholic lit
av11ns ?</div>
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No because for the Catholic we have not to do a
"compromise" of different version, all version are the
same. <br>
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For LXX, I don't understand exactly what to do with the
LXXM.imp file. For this reason I propose to create a new
module with all the LXX books from Rahlfs version (Or you
can give me the way to use the LXXM.imp :) ). If someone
desire to have the Strong and Morpho he can still install
the "old" module. <br>
After, if someone can add to the new LXX osis file, strong
and he can use this new source file. <br>
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On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 20:09, Cyrille <<a
href="mailto:lafricain79@gmail.com" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">lafricain79@gmail.com</a>>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 06/01/2018 à 20:51,
Troy A. Griffitts a écrit : <br>
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<p>Dear Cyrille,</p>
<p>Are you taking into account my comment about
our v11ns being supersets from multiple Bibles
and the comments at the beginning of the LXX
v11n?</p>
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No sorry I missed it! Ok it's clear. I understand
well. <br>
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<pre style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; word-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap;">// This is a compromise versification system, intended to allow encoding of Bibles using a number of slightly varying LXX-based versification systems. In particular, it was produced in consultation with OTs:
// Rahlfs', Swete's, Tischendorf's, & Thomson's editiNOtions
// R. H. Charles' & James H. Charlesworth's anthologies of Apocrypha & Pseudepigrapha
// Henry E. J. Howard's Pentateuch and R. R. Ottley's Isaiah translations from the LXX
// In addition to the LXX OT, the GNT has been included in this system to facilitate production of modern Bibles such as the OSB, which are translated from the LXX but include the NT as well. The following NTs were consulted in producing this versification system:
// Antoniades' Patriarchal GNT and its translation, the EOB
// the NKJV (OSB NT) & NRSV translations
// All of these Bibles & texts should be accomodated by this versification definition without requiring that any extra verses be appended; as a consequence, no Bible will include every verse of this system.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/06/2018 12:47
PM, Cyrille wrote: <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 06/01/2018 à
20:13, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit : <br>
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<p>These v11ns are not in the sources because
we are still researching. But since these
have been double checked to printed
editions,</p>
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I have the printing edition!! And this report is
about the printing edition, not about the doc
file. But the doc file correspond exactly to the
printing edition. <br>
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<p>I highly doubt whatever 'errors' you see
are actually errors in the v11n, but rather
a bad source text. I am sorry for
speculating, but I know these v11ns were
checked and verified by a second individual
against a printed edition and also know
there is a ton of low quality texts online
which claim to be things which they are not.
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The check was not good done. <br>
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cite="mid:1796eec6-f4bc-a71c-ae26-80f4d5e89a31@crosswire.org">
<p>These are simply my suspicions without
having the time now to put in the research.
I hope you find a way to check and confirm.</p>
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Then I can confirm this : <br>
The current canon_LXX.h and the LXX,rahlfs.h
don't match with the printing edition, I have
with me. <br>
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<p>Troy</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/06/2018
12:06 PM, Cyrille wrote: <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 06/01/2018 à
18:36, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit : <br>
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<p>Dear Cyrille,</p>
<p>I just did a brief diff between the
canon_lxx.h and the canon_lxx-super.h I
sent you in my previous email, and the
differences don't look like anything
useful. I must be mistaken about what
this file is. Have a read of the
comments in the file I send and those in
the canon_lxx.h included in 1.8.0. They
are very similar, but the *-super.h v11n
includes this comment near the end of
the header: </p>
<p>"This is not intended for critical
editions that separately encode variant
traditions of Joshua, Judges, Tobit,
etc. that are already served by the
Rahlfs versification system (q.v.)."</p>
<p>I am not sure to what the "Rahlfs
versification system (q.v.)" refers, nor
the /quod vide/ at the end of the
reference.</p>
<p>I could possibly refer to the analysis
of Rahlfs in the LXX v11n folder I send
to you earlier, specifically here, but I
am not sure:</p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/canon_rahlfs.h"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/canon_rahlfs.h</a>
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My question is why this v11n are not in the
sources? And I compare the Rahlfs.h, it's
not good... still a lot of issues. I ready
to perform it. Please let me know the good
way to help. <br>
But it clear for me that for the current
source I have, it's not possible to use the
current LXX v11n. <br>
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<p>But I do not see any accommodation for
alternate traditions in there. I may
need to go search old emails to dig up
the discussions on this.</p>
<p>Troy <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/06/2018
09:36 AM, Cyrille wrote: <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le
06/01/2018 à 17:16, Troy A. Griffitts
a écrit : <br>
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cite="mid:0F41A14C-6286-44A1-8737-B89B414C849F@crosswire.org">Hi
Cyrille, <br>
<br>
Just a few comments which I hope will
clear up a few things. <br>
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The sword-tools SVN repo needs to be
checked out to your computer before
you can run the convert.sh for CCAT.
The repo contains the .jar file you
asked about. You cannot just download
the individual convert.sh script. <br>
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Ok It's clear. I need to clone it with
hg? The user is this from the automatic
email send? If it is this email I can't
find it again <span
class="moz-smiley-s7"><span>:-</span></span>
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SWORD versifications are often a
superset for multiple Bibles. The
SWORD engine provides a facility for
frontends to easily skip empty
entries. Thus, when you discover that
a chapter here or a chapter there has
too many verses, it is probably that
way to support another Bible which has
more verses for that chapter. <br>
<br>
LXX v11n has been researched
extensively by Chris and others. There
are many issues regarding the LXX
which are not easily resolved, e.g.,
Rahlfs providing two textual
traditions of the same book in
parallel with different
versifications. I h research for LXX
in general can be found here: <br>
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<a
href="http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/</a>
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OK but what to do?? Is it possible to
use the Rahlfs with osis2mod? Because
Rahlfs is not the current one. I have
the Rahlfs text. If I use the current
LXX v11n with my text I will have really
a lot of issues! <br>
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cite="mid:0F41A14C-6286-44A1-8737-B89B414C849F@crosswire.org">
<br>
Hope this helps a bit. <br>
<br>
Troy <br>
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<pre class="k9mail">Hello,
Before to work on a new module for the LXX, I decided to verify the
current LXX v11n. And what was my surprise discovering many errors!
Please can you give me the list of the current modules using LXX v11n?
I will propose a new with correction, some books give me worries, like
Esther, which contains a versification in letter, I will make you a
proposal once my verification is finished. I work with the A. Rahlfs
(maybe the current LXX v11n was made with an other ?)
Best regards, Br Cyrille
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