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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 07/01/2018 à 10:06, David Haslam a
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      <div>Cyrille,</div>
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      <div>Even if you build the module from IMP using imp2vs, any
        duplicated verses will be overwritten by the occurrence in the
        second instance.</div>
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    Which module are you talking about? What I did: I downloaded the
    Lxxm file I processed with the lxxm.jar script, the result was a
    brand new imp file. With which I tried to create a new module with
    imp2vs, but nothing is displayed in xiphos. Maybe you can test on
    your computer.<br>
    That's where I am with lxxm sources.<br>
    As for my module. I can now, if you validate my proposal, create a
    new module for the LXX from the Rahlfs edition, with the accents,
    but without the morphology and the numbers of strong.<br>
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      <div>The module would thus lose content that exists in the source
        text.</div>
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          On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 07:33, Cyrille &lt;<a
            href="mailto:lafricain79@gmail.com" class=""
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          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 06/01/2018 à 21:19, David
            Haslam a écrit : <br>
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            <div>Now that you understand that, does this change anything
              regarding the proposed three new catholic lit av11ns ?</div>
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          No because for the Catholic we have not to do a "compromise"
          of different version, all version are the same. <br>
          <br>
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          For LXX, I don't understand exactly what to do with the
          LXXM.imp file. For this reason  I propose to create a new
          module with all the LXX books from Rahlfs version (Or you can
          give me the way to use the LXXM.imp :) ). If someone desire to
          have the Strong and Morpho he can still install the "old"
          module. <br>
          After, if someone can add to the new LXX osis file, strong and
          he can use this new source file. <br>
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                On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 20:09, Cyrille &lt;<a
                  href="mailto:lafricain79@gmail.com" class=""
                  moz-do-not-send="true">lafricain79@gmail.com</a>&gt;
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                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 06/01/2018 à 20:51, Troy
                  A. Griffitts a écrit : <br>
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                  cite="mid:be91c2cf-26a1-f413-9b69-7c62dc8f181e@crosswire.org">
                  <p>Dear Cyrille,</p>
                  <p>Are you taking into account my comment about our
                    v11ns being supersets from multiple Bibles and the
                    comments at the beginning of the LXX v11n?</p>
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                <br>
                No sorry I missed it! Ok it's clear. I understand well.
                <br>
                <blockquote type="cite"
                  cite="mid:be91c2cf-26a1-f413-9b69-7c62dc8f181e@crosswire.org">
                  <pre style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; word-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap;">// This is a compromise versification system, intended to allow encoding of Bibles using a number of slightly varying LXX-based versification systems. In particular, it was produced in consultation with OTs:
// Rahlfs', Swete's, Tischendorf's, &amp; Thomson's editiNOtions
// R. H. Charles' &amp; James H. Charlesworth's anthologies of Apocrypha &amp; Pseudepigrapha
// Henry E. J. Howard's Pentateuch and R. R. Ottley's Isaiah translations from the LXX

// In addition to the LXX OT, the GNT has been included in this system to facilitate production of modern Bibles such as the OSB, which are translated from the LXX but include the NT as well. The following NTs were consulted in producing this versification system:
// Antoniades' Patriarchal GNT and its translation, the EOB
// the NKJV (OSB NT) &amp; NRSV translations

// All of these Bibles &amp; texts should be accomodated by this versification definition without requiring that any extra verses be appended; as a consequence, no Bible will include every verse of this system.

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                  <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/06/2018 12:47 PM,
                    Cyrille wrote: <br>
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                    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 06/01/2018 à 20:13,
                      Troy A. Griffitts a écrit : <br>
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                      cite="mid:1796eec6-f4bc-a71c-ae26-80f4d5e89a31@crosswire.org">
                      <p>These v11ns are not in the sources because we
                        are still researching.  But since these have
                        been double checked to printed editions,</p>
                    </blockquote>
                    <br>
                    I have the printing edition!! And this report is
                    about the printing edition, not about the doc file.
                    But the doc file correspond exactly to the printing
                    edition. <br>
                    <blockquote type="cite"
                      cite="mid:1796eec6-f4bc-a71c-ae26-80f4d5e89a31@crosswire.org">
                      <p>I highly doubt whatever 'errors' you see are
                        actually errors in the v11n, but rather a bad
                        source text.  I am sorry for speculating, but I
                        know these v11ns were checked and verified by a
                        second individual against a printed edition and
                        also know there is a ton of low quality texts
                        online which claim to be things which they are
                        not. <br>
                      </p>
                    </blockquote>
                    The check was not good done. <br>
                    <blockquote type="cite"
                      cite="mid:1796eec6-f4bc-a71c-ae26-80f4d5e89a31@crosswire.org">
                      <p>These are simply my suspicions without having
                        the time now to put in the research.  I hope you
                        find a way to check and confirm.</p>
                    </blockquote>
                    Then I can confirm this : <br>
                    The current canon_LXX.h and the LXX,rahlfs.h don't
                    match with the printing edition, I have with me. <br>
                    <blockquote type="cite"
                      cite="mid:1796eec6-f4bc-a71c-ae26-80f4d5e89a31@crosswire.org">
                      <p>Troy</p>
                      <p> <br>
                      </p>
                      <br>
                      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/06/2018 12:06
                        PM, Cyrille wrote: <br>
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                        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 06/01/2018 à
                          18:36, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit : <br>
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                          cite="mid:204237e4-ac68-df7b-0029-653f603ba43f@crosswire.org">
                          <p>Dear Cyrille,</p>
                          <p>I just did a brief diff between the
                            canon_lxx.h and the canon_lxx-super.h I sent
                            you in my previous email, and the
                            differences don't look like anything
                            useful.  I must be mistaken about what this
                            file is.  Have a read of the comments in the
                            file I send and those in the canon_lxx.h
                            included in 1.8.0.  They are very similar,
                            but the *-super.h v11n includes this comment
                            near the end of the header:</p>
                          <p>"This is not intended for critical editions
                            that separately encode variant traditions of
                            Joshua, Judges, Tobit, etc. that are already
                            served by the Rahlfs versification system
                            (q.v.)."</p>
                          <p>I am not sure to what the "Rahlfs
                            versification system (q.v.)" refers, nor the
                            /quod vide/ at the end of the reference.</p>
                          <p>I could possibly refer to the analysis of
                            Rahlfs in the LXX v11n folder I send to you
                            earlier, specifically here, but I am not
                            sure:</p>
                          <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/canon_rahlfs.h"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/canon_rahlfs.h</a>
                          </p>
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                        My question is why this v11n are not in the
                        sources? And I compare the Rahlfs.h, it's not
                        good... still a lot of issues. I ready to
                        perform it. Please let me know the good way to
                        help. <br>
                        But it clear for me that for the current source
                        I have, it's not possible to use the current LXX
                        v11n. <br>
                        <blockquote type="cite"
                          cite="mid:204237e4-ac68-df7b-0029-653f603ba43f@crosswire.org">
                          <p>But I do not see any accommodation for
                            alternate traditions in there.  I may need
                            to go search old emails to dig up the
                            discussions on this.</p>
                          <p>Troy <br>
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                          <p> <br>
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                          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/06/2018
                            09:36 AM, Cyrille wrote: <br>
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                            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 06/01/2018 à
                              17:16, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit : <br>
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                              cite="mid:0F41A14C-6286-44A1-8737-B89B414C849F@crosswire.org">Hi
                              Cyrille, <br>
                              <br>
                              Just a few comments which I hope will
                              clear up a few things. <br>
                              <br>
                              The sword-tools SVN repo needs to be
                              checked out to your computer before you
                              can run the convert.sh for CCAT. The repo
                              contains the .jar file you asked about.
                              You cannot just download the individual
                              convert.sh script. <br>
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                            Ok It's clear. I need to clone it with hg?
                            The user is this from the automatic email
                            send? If it is this email I can't find it
                            again <span class="moz-smiley-s7"><span>:-</span></span>
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                              cite="mid:0F41A14C-6286-44A1-8737-B89B414C849F@crosswire.org">
                              <br>
                              SWORD versifications are often a superset
                              for multiple Bibles. The SWORD engine
                              provides a facility for frontends to
                              easily skip empty entries. Thus, when you
                              discover that a chapter here or a chapter
                              there has too many verses, it is probably
                              that way to support another Bible which
                              has more verses for that chapter. <br>
                              <br>
                              LXX v11n has been researched extensively
                              by Chris and others. There are many issues
                              regarding the LXX which are not easily
                              resolved, e.g., Rahlfs providing two
                              textual traditions of the same book in
                              parallel with different versifications. I
                              h research for LXX in general can be found
                              here: <br>
                              <br>
                              <a
href="http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/</a>
                              <br>
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                            <br>
                            OK but what to do?? Is it possible to use
                            the Rahlfs with osis2mod? Because Rahlfs is
                            not the current one. I have the Rahlfs text.
                            If I use the current LXX v11n with my text I
                            will have really a lot of issues! <br>
                            <blockquote type="cite"
                              cite="mid:0F41A14C-6286-44A1-8737-B89B414C849F@crosswire.org">
                              <br>
                              Hope this helps a bit. <br>
                              <br>
                              Troy <br>
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                              <div class="gmail_quote">On January 6,
                                2018 9:01:01 AM MST, Cyrille <a
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                                  href="mailto:lafricain79@gmail.com"
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                                  <pre class="k9mail">Hello,
Before to work on a new module for the LXX, I decided to verify the
current LXX v11n. And what was my surprise discovering many errors!
Please can you give me the list of the current modules using LXX v11n?
I will propose a new with correction, some books give me worries, like
Esther, which contains a versification in letter, I will make you a
proposal once my verification is finished. I work with the A. Rahlfs
(maybe the current LXX v11n was made with an other ?)

Best regards, Br Cyrille

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