<div>Hi Cyrille,<br></div><div><br></div><div>FIO. Module <b>FreVulgGlaire</b> is not yet ready to be submitted. It's still a "Work in Progress".<br></div><div><br></div><div>Last year there was a period of several weeks while I was waiting for <b>MB</b> to respond to a PR in GitHub.<br>She did eventually merge it just before Christmas, so I hope to pick up again soon from where I'd left off.</div><div><br></div><div>If anyone else is interested in this project, please visit <a href="https://github.com/MarjorieBurghart/VulgateGlaire">https://github.com/MarjorieBurghart/VulgateGlaire</a><br></div><div><br></div><div><i>When things go quiet on one project, generally I just switch my efforts to another.</i><i><br></i></div><div><i>In this case, I think the </i><b><i>LinVB</i></b><i> project was the one that then benefitted.</i><br></div><div><br></div><div><u>Everyone</u>: Your prayers for all such text development projects would be appreciated.<br></div><div><br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block"><div class="protonmail_signature_block-user"><div>Best regards,<br></div><div><br></div><div>David<br></div></div><div><br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton">Sent with <a href="https://protonmail.com">ProtonMail</a> Secure Email.<br></div></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></div><div>Subject: Re: [sword-devel] LXX v11n issues<br></div><div>Local Time: 7 January 2018 2:45 PM<br></div><div>UTC Time: 7 January 2018 14:45<br></div><div>From: lafricain79@gmail.com<br></div><div>To: David Haslam <dfhdfh@protonmail.com>, SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum <sword-devel@crosswire.org><br></div><div><br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 07/01/2018 à 15:42, David Haslam a
écrit :<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Cyrille,<br></div><div><br></div><div>As yet, CrossWire does not distribute a module called
FreVulgGlaire.<br></div><div><br></div><div>However, I have done some text development in GitHub for the
VulgGlaire repo of Marjorie Burghart.<br></div><div>Out of that should eventually come a SWORD module submission.<br></div><div>I already made a preliminary module for testing purposes.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Is this what you had in mind?<br></div></blockquote><div>YES :) FreVulgGlaire!<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><br></div><div>Best regards,<br></div><div><br></div><div>David<br></div><div><br></div><div>Sent from ProtonMail
Mobile<br></div><div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div>On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 14:07, Cyrille <<a class="" href="mailto:lafricain79@gmail.com">lafricain79@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote type="cite" class="protonmail_quote"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 07/01/2018 à 14:59, David
Haslam a écrit : <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Unlike having a minor problem where an alternative
translation of one verse can be relegated to a footnote,<br></div><div>Rahlf's LXX presents a major difficulty to SWORD by
having alternatives for whole books. <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not for all books, but for Judge, Tobit and Daniel (Suzanne
and Bel). I saw in the Vulglaire module something like 2
translation?<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><br></div><div>This cannot simply be solved in OSIS and still have a
single module.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I think it requires two modules A & B.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The B module need not include the non-duplicated books.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Has anyone got a better solution?<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ok I consider now I can pressed to a new module creation, for
LXX, with the current v11n. The source will be the Rahlfs
text. If another solution is not found, I will creat 2 modules
for each different texts.<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><br></div><div>David<br></div><div><br></div><div>Sent from
ProtonMail Mobile<br></div><div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div>On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 13:50, Cyrille <<a class="" href="mailto:lafricain79@gmail.com">lafricain79@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote type="cite" class="protonmail_quote"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 07/01/2018 à 14:38,
David Haslam a écrit : <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>I was referring to the fact that Rahlf's has 2
different versions for some books.<br></div></blockquote><div>Ah ok, yes I see this two different versions of some
books. Then you propose to create 2 modules? Or Osis
propose an option to add the two translation?<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><br></div><div>I wasn't referring to the IMP file you generated
from the existing module using mod2imp.<br></div><div><br></div><div>David<br></div><div><br></div><div>Sent from
ProtonMail Mobile<br></div><div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div>On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 09:28, Cyrille <<a class="" href="mailto:lafricain79@gmail.com">lafricain79@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote type="cite" class="protonmail_quote"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 07/01/2018 à
10:06, David Haslam a écrit : <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Cyrille,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Even if you build the module from IMP using
imp2vs, any duplicated verses will be
overwritten by the occurrence in the second
instance.<br></div></blockquote><div>Which module are you talking about? What I did: I
downloaded the Lxxm file I processed with the
lxxm.jar script, the result was a brand new imp
file. With which I tried to create a new module
with imp2vs, but nothing is displayed in xiphos.
Maybe you can test on your computer.<br></div><div> That's where I am with lxxm sources. <br></div><div> As for my module. I can now, if you validate my
proposal, create a new module for the LXX from the
Rahlfs edition, with the accents, but without the
morphology and the numbers of strong. <br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><br></div><div>The module would thus lose content that
exists in the source text.<br></div><div><br></div><div>David<br></div><div><br></div><div>Sent
from ProtonMail Mobile<br></div><div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div>On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 07:33, Cyrille <<a class="" href="mailto:lafricain79@gmail.com">lafricain79@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote type="cite" class="protonmail_quote"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 06/01/2018 à
21:19, David Haslam a écrit : <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Now that you understand that, does
this change anything regarding the
proposed three new catholic lit av11ns ?<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No because for the Catholic we have not to
do a "compromise" of different version, all
version are the same.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> For LXX, I don't understand exactly what to
do with the LXXM.imp file. For this reason
I propose to create a new module with all
the LXX books from Rahlfs version (Or you
can give me the way to use the LXXM.imp :)
). If someone desire to have the Strong and
Morpho he can still install the "old"
module. <br></div><div> After, if someone can add to the new LXX
osis file, strong and he can use this new
source file. <br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block">Best
regards, David<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Sent
from ProtonMail Mobile<br></div><div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div>On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 20:09, Cyrille
<<a class="" href="mailto:lafricain79@gmail.com">lafricain79@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote type="cite" class="protonmail_quote"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le
06/01/2018 à 20:51, Troy A.
Griffitts a écrit : <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><p>Dear Cyrille,<br></p><p>Are you taking into account my
comment about our v11ns being
supersets from multiple Bibles and
the comments at the beginning of
the LXX v11n?<br></p></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No sorry I missed it! Ok it's clear. I
understand well.<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><pre style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; word-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap;">// This is a compromise versification system, intended to allow encoding of Bibles using a number of slightly varying LXX-based versification systems. In particular, it was produced in consultation with OTs:
// Rahlfs', Swete's, Tischendorf's, & Thomson's editiNOtions
// R. H. Charles' & James H. Charlesworth's anthologies of Apocrypha & Pseudepigrapha
// Henry E. J. Howard's Pentateuch and R. R. Ottley's Isaiah translations from the LXX
// In addition to the LXX OT, the GNT has been included in this system to facilitate production of modern Bibles such as the OSB, which are translated from the LXX but include the NT as well. The following NTs were consulted in producing this versification system:
// Antoniades' Patriarchal GNT and its translation, the EOB
// the NKJV (OSB NT) & NRSV translations
// All of these Bibles & texts should be accomodated by this versification definition without requiring that any extra verses be appended; as a consequence, no Bible will include every verse of this system.
<br></pre><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix">On
01/06/2018 12:47 PM, Cyrille
wrote: <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le
06/01/2018 à 20:13, Troy A.
Griffitts a écrit : <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><p>These v11ns are not in the
sources because we are still
researching. But since these
have been double checked to
printed editions,<br></p></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I have the printing edition!! And
this report is about the printing
edition, not about the doc file.
But the doc file correspond
exactly to the printing edition.<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><p>I highly doubt whatever
'errors' you see are actually
errors in the v11n, but rather
a bad source text. I am sorry
for speculating, but I know
these v11ns were checked and
verified by a second
individual against a printed
edition and also know there is
a ton of low quality texts
online which claim to be
things which they are not. <br></p></blockquote><div>The check was not good done.<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><p>These are simply my
suspicions without having the
time now to put in the
research. I hope you find a
way to check and confirm.<br></p></blockquote><div>Then I can confirm this :<br></div><div> The current canon_LXX.h and the
LXX,rahlfs.h don't match with the
printing edition, I have with me. <br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><p>Troy<br></p><p><br></p><div><br></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix">On
01/06/2018 12:06 PM, Cyrille
wrote: <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le
06/01/2018 à 18:36, Troy A.
Griffitts a écrit : <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><p>Dear Cyrille,<br></p><p>I just did a brief diff
between the canon_lxx.h
and the canon_lxx-super.h
I sent you in my previous
email, and the differences
don't look like anything
useful. I must be
mistaken about what this
file is. Have a read of
the comments in the file I
send and those in the
canon_lxx.h included in
1.8.0. They are very
similar, but the *-super.h
v11n includes this comment
near the end of the
header:<br></p><p>"This is not intended for
critical editions that
separately encode variant
traditions of Joshua,
Judges, Tobit, etc. that
are already served by the
Rahlfs versification
system (q.v.)."<br></p><p>I am not sure to what the
"Rahlfs versification
system (q.v.)" refers, nor
the /quod vide/ at the end
of the reference.<br></p><p>I could possibly refer to
the analysis of Rahlfs in
the LXX v11n folder I send
to you earlier,
specifically here, but I
am not sure:<br></p><p><a href="http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/canon_rahlfs.h" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/canon_rahlfs.h</a><br></p></blockquote><div>My question is why this v11n
are not in the sources? And I
compare the Rahlfs.h, it's not
good... still a lot of issues.
I ready to perform it. Please
let me know the good way to
help.<br></div><div> But it clear for me that for
the current source I have,
it's not possible to use the
current LXX v11n. <br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><p>But I do not see any
accommodation for
alternate traditions in
there. I may need to go
search old emails to dig
up the discussions on
this.<br></p><p>Troy <br></p><p><br></p><div><br></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix">On
01/06/2018 09:36 AM,
Cyrille wrote: <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le
06/01/2018 à 17:16, Troy
A. Griffitts a écrit : <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hi
Cyrille, <br></div><div> <br></div><div> Just a few comments
which I hope will clear
up a few things. <br></div><div> <br></div><div> The sword-tools SVN repo
needs to be checked out
to your computer before
you can run the
convert.sh for CCAT. The
repo contains the .jar
file you asked about.
You cannot just download
the individual
convert.sh script. <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ok It's clear. I need to
clone it with hg? The user
is this from the automatic
email send? If it is this
email I can't find it
again<span class="moz-smiley-s7"><span>:-</span></span> <br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><br></div><div>SWORD versifications are
often a superset for
multiple Bibles. The
SWORD engine provides a
facility for frontends
to easily skip empty
entries. Thus, when you
discover that a chapter
here or a chapter there
has too many verses, it
is probably that way to
support another Bible
which has more verses
for that chapter.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> LXX v11n has been
researched extensively
by Chris and others.
There are many issues
regarding the LXX which
are not easily resolved,
e.g., Rahlfs providing
two textual traditions
of the same book in
parallel with different
versifications. I h
research for LXX in
general can be found
here: <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <a href="http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/">http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/</a> <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>OK but what to do?? Is it
possible to use the Rahlfs
with osis2mod? Because
Rahlfs is not the current
one. I have the Rahlfs
text. If I use the current
LXX v11n with my text I
will have really a lot of
issues!<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><br></div><div>Hope this helps a bit.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Troy <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On
January 6, 2018
9:01:01 AM MST,
Cyrille <a href="mailto:lafricain79@gmail.com" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"><lafricain79@gmail.com></a> wrote: <br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0pt
0pt 0pt 0.8ex;" class="gmail_quote"><pre class="k9mail">Hello,
Before to work on a new module for the LXX, I decided to verify the
current LXX v11n. And what was my surprise discovering many errors!
Please can you give me the list of the current modules using LXX v11n?
I will propose a new with correction, some books give me worries, like
Esther, which contains a versification in letter, I will make you a
proposal once my verification is finished. I work with the A. Rahlfs
(maybe the current LXX v11n was made with an other ?)
Best regards, Br Cyrille
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