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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 07/01/2018 à 15:42, David Haslam a
      écrit :<br>
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      <div>Cyrille,</div>
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      <div>As yet, CrossWire does not distribute a module called
        FreVulgGlaire.</div>
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      <div>However, I have done some text development in GitHub for the
        VulgGlaire repo of Marjorie Burghart.</div>
      <div>Out of that should eventually come a SWORD module submission.</div>
      <div>I already made a preliminary module for testing purposes.</div>
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      <div>Is this what you had in mind?</div>
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    YES :) FreVulgGlaire!<br>
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      <div>Best regards,</div>
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      <div>David</div>
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          On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 14:07, Cyrille &lt;<a
            href="mailto:lafricain79@gmail.com" class=""
            moz-do-not-send="true">lafricain79@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 07/01/2018 à 14:59, David
            Haslam a écrit : <br>
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            <div>Unlike having a minor problem where an alternative
              translation of one verse can be relegated to a footnote,</div>
            <div>Rahlf's LXX  presents a major difficulty to SWORD by
              having alternatives for whole books. <br>
            </div>
          </blockquote>
          <br>
          Not for all books, but for Judge, Tobit and Daniel (Suzanne
          and Bel). I saw in the Vulglaire module something like 2
          translation?
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            <div>This cannot simply be solved in OSIS and still have a
              single module. </div>
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            </div>
            <div>I think it requires two modules A &amp; B.</div>
            <div> <br>
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            <div>The B module need not include the non-duplicated books.</div>
            <div> <br>
            </div>
            <div>Has anyone got a better solution?</div>
          </blockquote>
          <br>
          Ok I consider now I can pressed to a new module creation, for
          LXX, with the current v11n. The source will be the Rahlfs
          text. If another solution is not found, I will creat 2 modules
          for each different texts. <br>
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            <div>David</div>
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                On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 13:50, Cyrille &lt;<a
                  href="mailto:lafricain79@gmail.com" class=""
                  moz-do-not-send="true">lafricain79@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                wrote:</div>
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                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 07/01/2018 à 14:38,
                  David Haslam a écrit : <br>
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                  <div>I was referring to the fact that Rahlf's has 2
                    different versions for some books.</div>
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                Ah ok, yes I see this two different versions of some
                books. Then you propose to create 2 modules? Or Osis
                propose an option to add the two translation? <br>
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                  <div>I wasn't referring to the IMP file you generated
                    from the existing module using mod2imp.</div>
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                  <div>David</div>
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                      On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 09:28, Cyrille &lt;<a
                        href="mailto:lafricain79@gmail.com" class=""
                        moz-do-not-send="true">lafricain79@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                      wrote: </div>
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                      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 07/01/2018 à
                        10:06, David Haslam a écrit : <br>
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                        <div>Cyrille,</div>
                        <div> <br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Even if you build the module from IMP using
                          imp2vs, any duplicated verses will be
                          overwritten by the occurrence in the second
                          instance.</div>
                      </blockquote>
                      Which module are you talking about? What I did: I
                      downloaded the Lxxm file I processed with the
                      lxxm.jar script, the result was a brand new imp
                      file. With which I tried to create a new module
                      with imp2vs, but nothing is displayed in xiphos.
                      Maybe you can test on your computer. <br>
                      That's where I am with lxxm sources. <br>
                      As for my module. I can now, if you validate my
                      proposal, create a new module for the LXX from the
                      Rahlfs edition, with the accents, but without the
                      morphology and the numbers of strong. <br>
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                        <div>The module would thus lose content that
                          exists in the source text.</div>
                        <div> <br>
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                        <div>David</div>
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                            On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 07:33, Cyrille &lt;<a
                              href="mailto:lafricain79@gmail.com"
                              class="" moz-do-not-send="true">lafricain79@gmail.com</a>&gt;
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                            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 06/01/2018 à
                              21:19, David Haslam a écrit : <br>
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                              <div>Now that you understand that, does
                                this change anything regarding the
                                proposed three new catholic lit av11ns ?</div>
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                            No because for the Catholic we have not to
                            do a "compromise" of different version, all
                            version are the same. <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            For LXX, I don't understand exactly what to
                            do with the LXXM.imp file. For this reason 
                            I propose to create a new module with all
                            the LXX books from Rahlfs version (Or you
                            can give me the way to use the LXXM.imp :)
                            ). If someone desire to have the Strong and
                            Morpho he can still install the "old"
                            module. <br>
                            After, if someone can add to the new LXX
                            osis file, strong and he can use this new
                            source file. <br>
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                                regards, David</div>
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                                  &lt;<a
                                    href="mailto:lafricain79@gmail.com"
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                                    06/01/2018 à 20:51, Troy A.
                                    Griffitts a écrit : <br>
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                                    cite="mid:be91c2cf-26a1-f413-9b69-7c62dc8f181e@crosswire.org">
                                    <p>Dear Cyrille,</p>
                                    <p>Are you taking into account my
                                      comment about our v11ns being
                                      supersets from multiple Bibles and
                                      the comments at the beginning of
                                      the LXX v11n?</p>
                                  </blockquote>
                                  <br>
                                  No sorry I missed it! Ok it's clear. I
                                  understand well. <br>
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                                    <pre style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; word-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap;">// This is a compromise versification system, intended to allow encoding of Bibles using a number of slightly varying LXX-based versification systems. In particular, it was produced in consultation with OTs:
// Rahlfs', Swete's, Tischendorf's, &amp; Thomson's editiNOtions
// R. H. Charles' &amp; James H. Charlesworth's anthologies of Apocrypha &amp; Pseudepigrapha
// Henry E. J. Howard's Pentateuch and R. R. Ottley's Isaiah translations from the LXX

// In addition to the LXX OT, the GNT has been included in this system to facilitate production of modern Bibles such as the OSB, which are translated from the LXX but include the NT as well. The following NTs were consulted in producing this versification system:
// Antoniades' Patriarchal GNT and its translation, the EOB
// the NKJV (OSB NT) &amp; NRSV translations

// All of these Bibles &amp; texts should be accomodated by this versification definition without requiring that any extra verses be appended; as a consequence, no Bible will include every verse of this system.

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                                    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On
                                      01/06/2018 12:47 PM, Cyrille
                                      wrote: <br>
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                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le
                                        06/01/2018 à 20:13, Troy A.
                                        Griffitts a écrit : <br>
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                                        cite="mid:1796eec6-f4bc-a71c-ae26-80f4d5e89a31@crosswire.org">
                                        <p>These v11ns are not in the
                                          sources because we are still
                                          researching.  But since these
                                          have been double checked to
                                          printed editions,</p>
                                      </blockquote>
                                      <br>
                                      I have the printing edition!! And
                                      this report is about the printing
                                      edition, not about the doc file.
                                      But the doc file correspond
                                      exactly to the printing edition. <br>
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                                        cite="mid:1796eec6-f4bc-a71c-ae26-80f4d5e89a31@crosswire.org">
                                        <p>I highly doubt whatever
                                          'errors' you see are actually
                                          errors in the v11n, but rather
                                          a bad source text.  I am sorry
                                          for speculating, but I know
                                          these v11ns were checked and
                                          verified by a second
                                          individual against a printed
                                          edition and also know there is
                                          a ton of low quality texts
                                          online which claim to be
                                          things which they are not. <br>
                                        </p>
                                      </blockquote>
                                      The check was not good done. <br>
                                      <blockquote type="cite"
                                        cite="mid:1796eec6-f4bc-a71c-ae26-80f4d5e89a31@crosswire.org">
                                        <p>These are simply my
                                          suspicions without having the
                                          time now to put in the
                                          research.  I hope you find a
                                          way to check and confirm.</p>
                                      </blockquote>
                                      Then I can confirm this : <br>
                                      The current canon_LXX.h and the
                                      LXX,rahlfs.h don't match with the
                                      printing edition, I have with me.
                                      <br>
                                      <blockquote type="cite"
                                        cite="mid:1796eec6-f4bc-a71c-ae26-80f4d5e89a31@crosswire.org">
                                        <p>Troy</p>
                                        <p> <br>
                                        </p>
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                                        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On
                                          01/06/2018 12:06 PM, Cyrille
                                          wrote: <br>
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                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le
                                            06/01/2018 à 18:36, Troy A.
                                            Griffitts a écrit : <br>
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                                            cite="mid:204237e4-ac68-df7b-0029-653f603ba43f@crosswire.org">
                                            <p>Dear Cyrille,</p>
                                            <p>I just did a brief diff
                                              between the canon_lxx.h
                                              and the canon_lxx-super.h
                                              I sent you in my previous
                                              email, and the differences
                                              don't look like anything
                                              useful.  I must be
                                              mistaken about what this
                                              file is.  Have a read of
                                              the comments in the file I
                                              send and those in the
                                              canon_lxx.h included in
                                              1.8.0.  They are very
                                              similar, but the *-super.h
                                              v11n includes this comment
                                              near the end of the
                                              header: </p>
                                            <p>"This is not intended for
                                              critical editions that
                                              separately encode variant
                                              traditions of Joshua,
                                              Judges, Tobit, etc. that
                                              are already served by the
                                              Rahlfs versification
                                              system (q.v.)."</p>
                                            <p>I am not sure to what the
                                              "Rahlfs versification
                                              system (q.v.)" refers, nor
                                              the /quod vide/ at the end
                                              of the reference.</p>
                                            <p>I could possibly refer to
                                              the analysis of Rahlfs in
                                              the LXX v11n folder I send
                                              to you earlier,
                                              specifically here, but I
                                              am not sure:</p>
                                            <p><a
                                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/canon_rahlfs.h"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true">http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/canon_rahlfs.h</a>
                                            </p>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          My question is why this v11n
                                          are not in the sources? And I
                                          compare the Rahlfs.h, it's not
                                          good... still a lot of issues.
                                          I ready to perform it. Please
                                          let me know the good way to
                                          help. <br>
                                          But it clear for me that for
                                          the current source I have,
                                          it's not possible to use the
                                          current LXX v11n. <br>
                                          <blockquote type="cite"
                                            cite="mid:204237e4-ac68-df7b-0029-653f603ba43f@crosswire.org">
                                            <p>But I do not see any
                                              accommodation for
                                              alternate traditions in
                                              there.  I may need to go
                                              search old emails to dig
                                              up the discussions on
                                              this.</p>
                                            <p>Troy <br>
                                            </p>
                                            <p> <br>
                                            </p>
                                            <br>
                                            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On
                                              01/06/2018 09:36 AM,
                                              Cyrille wrote: <br>
                                            </div>
                                            <blockquote type="cite"
                                              cite="mid:2fe6b2d8-bfb9-2b88-30c2-67a756b8aa21@gmail.com">
                                              <br>
                                              <br>
                                              <div
                                                class="moz-cite-prefix">Le
                                                06/01/2018 à 17:16, Troy
                                                A. Griffitts a écrit : <br>
                                              </div>
                                              <blockquote type="cite"
                                                cite="mid:0F41A14C-6286-44A1-8737-B89B414C849F@crosswire.org">Hi
                                                Cyrille, <br>
                                                <br>
                                                Just a few comments
                                                which I hope will clear
                                                up a few things. <br>
                                                <br>
                                                The sword-tools SVN repo
                                                needs to be checked out
                                                to your computer before
                                                you can run the
                                                convert.sh for CCAT. The
                                                repo contains the .jar
                                                file you asked about.
                                                You cannot just download
                                                the individual
                                                convert.sh script. <br>
                                              </blockquote>
                                              <br>
                                              Ok It's clear. I need to
                                              clone it with hg? The user
                                              is this from the automatic
                                              email send? If it is this
                                              email I can't find it
                                              again <span
                                                class="moz-smiley-s7"><span>:-</span></span>
                                              <br>
                                              <blockquote type="cite"
                                                cite="mid:0F41A14C-6286-44A1-8737-B89B414C849F@crosswire.org">
                                                <br>
                                                SWORD versifications are
                                                often a superset for
                                                multiple Bibles. The
                                                SWORD engine provides a
                                                facility for frontends
                                                to easily skip empty
                                                entries. Thus, when you
                                                discover that a chapter
                                                here or a chapter there
                                                has too many verses, it
                                                is probably that way to
                                                support another Bible
                                                which has more verses
                                                for that chapter. <br>
                                                <br>
                                                LXX v11n has been
                                                researched extensively
                                                by Chris and others.
                                                There are many issues
                                                regarding the LXX which
                                                are not easily resolved,
                                                e.g., Rahlfs providing
                                                two textual traditions
                                                of the same book in
                                                parallel with different
                                                versifications. I h
                                                research for LXX in
                                                general can be found
                                                here: <br>
                                                <br>
                                                <a
href="http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/</a>
                                                <br>
                                              </blockquote>
                                              <br>
                                              OK but what to do?? Is it
                                              possible to use the Rahlfs
                                              with osis2mod? Because
                                              Rahlfs is not the current
                                              one. I have the Rahlfs
                                              text. If I use the current
                                              LXX v11n with my text I
                                              will have really a lot of
                                              issues! <br>
                                              <blockquote type="cite"
                                                cite="mid:0F41A14C-6286-44A1-8737-B89B414C849F@crosswire.org">
                                                <br>
                                                Hope this helps a bit. <br>
                                                <br>
                                                Troy <br>
                                                <br>
                                                <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                  January 6, 2018
                                                  9:01:01 AM MST,
                                                  Cyrille <a
                                                    class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:lafricain79@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;lafricain79@gmail.com&gt;</a>
                                                  wrote:
                                                  <blockquote
                                                    class="gmail_quote"
                                                    style="margin: 0pt
                                                    0pt 0pt 0.8ex;">
                                                    <pre class="k9mail">Hello,
Before to work on a new module for the LXX, I decided to verify the
current LXX v11n. And what was my surprise discovering many errors!
Please can you give me the list of the current modules using LXX v11n?
I will propose a new with correction, some books give me worries, like
Esther, which contains a versification in letter, I will make you a
proposal once my verification is finished. I work with the A. Rahlfs
(maybe the current LXX v11n was made with an other ?)

Best regards, Br Cyrille

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