<div>I should have explained that the "Action" is "Send non-matching text to sub-filter".<br></div><div><br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block"><div class="protonmail_signature_block-user"><div>Best regards,<br></div><div><br></div><div>David<br></div></div><div><br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton">Sent with <a href="https://protonmail.com">ProtonMail</a> Secure Email.<br></div></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></div><div>Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Module .conf files, Unicode Normalization<br></div><div>Local Time: 6 January 2018 7:41 PM<br></div><div>UTC Time: 6 January 2018 19:41<br></div><div>From: dfhdfh@protonmail.com<br></div><div>To: sword-devel mailing list <sword-devel@crosswire.org><br></div><div><br></div><div>"Here's one I made earlier."<br></div><div><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif">Comment...</span><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"></span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif">| Normalize to NFC excluding any Hebrew text</span><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"></span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif">| </span><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"></span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif">| NB. Does not expect any alphabetical presentation forms!</span><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"></span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif">|</span><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"></span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif">+--Perl pattern [[\x{0590}-\x{05FF}]+] with []</span><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"></span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"> | [X] Match case</span><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"></span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"> | [ ] Whole words only</span><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"></span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"> | [ ] Case sensitive replace</span><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"></span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"> | [ ] Prompt on replace</span><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"></span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"> | [ ] Skip prompt if identical</span><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"></span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"> | [ ] First only</span><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"></span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"> | [ ] Extract matches</span><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"></span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"> | Maximum text buffer size 4096</span><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"></span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"> | [X] Maximum match (greedy)</span><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"></span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"> | [ ] Allow comments</span><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"></span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"> | [ ] '.' matches newline</span><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"></span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"> | [X] UTF-8 Support</span><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"></span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"> |</span><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"></span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo,consolas,courier new,monospace,sans-serif"> +--NFC - Canonical Decomposition, followed by Canonical Composition</span><br></div><div> <br></div><div><i>NB. That's merely the clipboard copy of the filter for illustration purposes.</i><br></div><div><br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block"><div class="protonmail_signature_block-user"><div>Best regards,<br></div><div><br></div><div>David<br></div></div><div><br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton">Sent with <a href="https://protonmail.com">ProtonMail</a> Secure Email.<br></div></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" class="protonmail_quote"><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></div><div>Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Module .conf files, Unicode Normalization<br></div><div>Local Time: 6 January 2018 7:26 PM<br></div><div>UTC Time: 6 January 2018 19:26<br></div><div>From: dfhdfh@protonmail.com<br></div><div>To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum <sword-devel@crosswire.org><br></div><div><br></div><div>Good question, Tom.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Assuming that the Latin script part of the source text actually required normalization to NFC,<br></div><div>and that at least some of the Biblical Hebrew should not be converted to NFC,<br></div><div>you'd build the module using the -N switch of osis2mod, after first applying a script <br></div><div>to the source text to ensure that both the requirements were implemented.<br></div><div><br></div><div>It would be a very simple task for a bespoke TextPipe filter with a restrict filter <br></div><div>designed to limit the Convert to NFC subfilter to the text that was not Hebrew.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Ignoring alphabetical presentation forms, all the Hebrew characters are in one Unicode block.<br></div><div>A PCRE to exclude the Hebrew would be very simple.<br></div><div>I could almost do it in my sleep after 17 years using TextPipe.<br></div><div>No doubt other programmers could do likewise with Perl or Python, etc.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,<br></div><div><br></div><div>David<br></div><div><br></div><div>Sent from ProtonMail Mobile<br></div><div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div>On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 19:14, Tom Sullivan <<a href="mailto:info@beforgiven.info" class="">info@beforgiven.info</a>> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite">Y'all: For text, such as in a commentary, which includes both Hebrew and English (or another modern Latin script using language), what do you put for the normalization? 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wrote: > Hi Greg, > > One area where it might turn out to be useful is for the search features > of front-end apps. > It could be important to know that the underlying module text is _not_ > *NFC*. > > That's not to lay
down a requirement as to how search features should be > designed, > but at least to provide the information in case it does matter for some > types of search option. > > Like other things in .conf files, a key can also be _educational_.
> It may prompt developers and users to ask, /*Why did they do this?*/ > > cf. It was _almost by accident_ that in 2014, I first came across this > aspect of using Unicode for Biblical Hebrew. > /It applies only to texts with _both_
vowel accents and cantillation./ > > Even though it's mentioned in our developers' wiki, it's all too easily > missed by other CrossWire volunteers. > > Best regards, > > David > > Sent with ProtonMail
Secure Email. > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Module .conf files, Unicode Normalization >> Local Time: 6 January 2018 5:19 PM >> UTC Time: 6 January 2018 17:19 >> From: greg.hellings@gmail.com
>> To: David Haslam
, SWORD Developers' >> Collaboration Forum
>> >> Why would the front end or engine need to know this information? Would >> it help the front end developers or users to know it? What do we gain >> by adding this? (I'm not implying it wouldn't be beneficial. But the >>
only thing I know about Unicode is how the different UTF encodings >> work, so I have no idea what use this information could be. I also >> think changes to formats and information standards should be >> conservative
instead of liberal) >> >> --Greg >> >> On Jan 6, 2018 11:01, "David Haslam"
>
> wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> We've known for quite a few years that there are aspects of >> *Biblical Hebrew* that mean we should _avoid_ converting the >> Unicode source text to *NFC* when
we build a module. >> >> This prompts me to suggest that we ought to define a new *key* for >> .conf files. >> >> *Normalization=NFC* (this would be the default, and may be >> _omitted_ for
the vast majority of modules) >> *Normalization=Custom* (we should include this in certain Biblical >> Hebrew modules) >> >> This would make it clear to front-end developers and users alike >>
that the source text was _not_ converted to NFC during module build. >> i.e. *osis2mod* was used intentionally with the *-N* switch, in >> _accordance with the requirements of the source text provider_. >>
>> The Unicode source text may already be encoded in *UTF-8* ; this >> memo is /only /about normalization. >> >> In the rare eventuality that there could arise a requrement for >> any of the other
three normalization forms (*NFD*, *NFKC*, *NFKD*) >> defined by the Unicode Consortium, >> these would also be permitted values for the conf file key. >> >> A further benefit arises when a module needs
to be updated. >> If the modules team sees that the .conf file includes the line >> *Normalization=Custom* >> they would be forewarned against converting to NFC through >> /inadvertently/ omitting the
*-N* switch during module build. >> >> _Aside_: Another language with a need for non-standard >> normalization is *Tibetan*. We don't yet have a module in that script. >> >> Best regards, >>
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