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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 06/01/2018 à 20:51, Troy A.
Griffitts a écrit :<br>
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<p>Dear Cyrille,</p>
<p>Are you taking into account my comment about our v11ns being
supersets from multiple Bibles and the comments at the beginning
of the LXX v11n?</p>
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No sorry I missed it! Ok it's clear. I understand well.<br>
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<pre style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; word-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap;">// This is a compromise versification system, intended to allow encoding of Bibles using a number of slightly varying LXX-based versification systems. In particular, it was produced in consultation with OTs:
// Rahlfs', Swete's, Tischendorf's, & Thomson's editiNOtions
// R. H. Charles' & James H. Charlesworth's anthologies of Apocrypha & Pseudepigrapha
// Henry E. J. Howard's Pentateuch and R. R. Ottley's Isaiah translations from the LXX
// In addition to the LXX OT, the GNT has been included in this system to facilitate production of modern Bibles such as the OSB, which are translated from the LXX but include the NT as well. The following NTs were consulted in producing this versification system:
// Antoniades' Patriarchal GNT and its translation, the EOB
// the NKJV (OSB NT) & NRSV translations
// All of these Bibles & texts should be accomodated by this versification definition without requiring that any extra verses be appended; as a consequence, no Bible will include every verse of this system.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/06/2018 12:47 PM, Cyrille
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 06/01/2018 à 20:13, Troy A.
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<p>These v11ns are not in the sources because we are still
researching. But since these have been double checked to
printed editions,</p>
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I have the printing edition!! And this report is about the
printing edition, not about the doc file. But the doc file
correspond exactly to the printing edition.<br>
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<p> I highly doubt whatever 'errors' you see are actually
errors in the v11n, but rather a bad source text. I am
sorry for speculating, but I know these v11ns were checked
and verified by a second individual against a printed
edition and also know there is a ton of low quality texts
online which claim to be things which they are not. <br>
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The check was not good done. <br>
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<p> These are simply my suspicions without having the time now
to put in the research. I hope you find a way to check and
confirm.</p>
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Then I can confirm this :<br>
The current canon_LXX.h and the LXX,rahlfs.h don't match with
the printing edition, I have with me.<br>
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<p>Troy</p>
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<p>Dear Cyrille,</p>
<p>I just did a brief diff between the canon_lxx.h and the
canon_lxx-super.h I sent you in my previous email, and
the differences don't look like anything useful. I must
be mistaken about what this file is. Have a read of the
comments in the file I send and those in the canon_lxx.h
included in 1.8.0. They are very similar, but the
*-super.h v11n includes this comment near the end of the
header:</p>
<p>"This is not intended for critical editions that
separately encode variant traditions of Joshua, Judges,
Tobit, etc. that are already served by the Rahlfs
versification system (q.v.)."</p>
<p>I am not sure to what the "Rahlfs versification system
(q.v.)" refers, nor the /quod vide/ at the end of the
reference.</p>
<p>I could possibly refer to the analysis of Rahlfs in the
LXX v11n folder I send to you earlier, specifically
here, but I am not sure:</p>
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href="http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/canon_rahlfs.h"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/canon_rahlfs.h</a></p>
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My question is why this v11n are not in the sources? And I
compare the Rahlfs.h, it's not good... still a lot of
issues. I ready to perform it. Please let me know the good
way to help. <br>
But it clear for me that for the current source I have, it's
not possible to use the current LXX v11n.<br>
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<p>But I do not see any accommodation for alternate
traditions in there. I may need to go search old emails
to dig up the discussions on this.</p>
<p>Troy<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 06/01/2018 à 17:16, Troy
A. Griffitts a écrit :<br>
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Cyrille,<br>
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Just a few comments which I hope will clear up a few
things.<br>
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The sword-tools SVN repo needs to be checked out to
your computer before you can run the convert.sh for
CCAT. The repo contains the .jar file you asked about.
You cannot just download the individual convert.sh
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Ok It's clear. I need to clone it with hg? The user is
this from the automatic email send? If it is this email
I can't find it again <span class="moz-smiley-s7"><span>:-\</span></span><br>
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SWORD versifications are often a superset for multiple
Bibles. The SWORD engine provides a facility for
frontends to easily skip empty entries. Thus, when you
discover that a chapter here or a chapter there has
too many verses, it is probably that way to support
another Bible which has more verses for that chapter.<br>
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LXX v11n has been researched extensively by Chris and
others. There are many issues regarding the LXX which
are not easily resolved, e.g., Rahlfs providing two
textual traditions of the same book in parallel with
different versifications. I h research for LXX in
general can be found here:<br>
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href="http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/</a><br>
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OK but what to do?? Is it possible to use the Rahlfs
with osis2mod? Because Rahlfs is not the current one. I
have the Rahlfs text. If I use the current LXX v11n with
my text I will have really a lot of issues!<br>
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Hope this helps a bit.<br>
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Troy<br>
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<pre class="k9mail">Hello,
Before to work on a new module for the LXX, I decided to verify the
current LXX v11n. And what was my surprise discovering many errors!
Please can you give me the list of the current modules using LXX v11n?
I will propose a new with correction, some books give me worries, like
Esther, which contains a versification in letter, I will make you a
proposal once my verification is finished. I work with the A. Rahlfs
(maybe the current LXX v11n was made with an other ?)
Best regards, Br Cyrille
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