<p dir="ltr">Troy, thank you for that. Quite a bit of thought has gone into this module before me.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I have a quick question, not in the form of a challenge, but rather a humble request for understanding. For your three points, why is 1. important? Why is a scripted, reproducible method for transforming the data necessary? Why is manually preparing the data for conversion taboo?</p>
<p dir="ltr">Thanks for bearing with me, and for being so supportive.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Blessings in Christ,<br>
Matt</p>
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<pre class="gmail_msg">I don't want to fight about this yet again.
This is a commercial module to be sold by Lockman. That is a different
scenario from other modules. For this module, I have reasonably asked:
1) That we have a scripted, reproducible way to transform their data
from their pristine source to a module.
2) That we support their entire dataset which they have given us for
this module (base text + footnotes / crossrefs + lexica)
3) That the result works generally in all major SWORD/JSword frontends.
It is not as simple as-- just release it and fix it later. This is to
be sold by Lockman.
Historically, we have had at least 4 people own this effort over the
years. It is not simply that one person has sat on this and hasn't
finished it for 12 years.
I think we are close. In my mind, the current owner (Greg) simply needs
to have a list of outstanding items which keep us from satisfying 1-3
and push each of them down the road until they are done.
I don't know what those items are. I am just concerned that we meet 1-3
before we give the data to Lockman to sell and I feel these 3 items are
reasonable requests.
Troy
On 01/06/2016 11:04 AM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
> On 01/06/2016 10:56 AM, Greg Hellings wrote:
>> but no one has told me what those issues are
> It comes down to this:
> We need to look for the way to say Yes, and stop coughing up any and all
> possible, weak, ham-handed excuses to say No.
>
> A long time ago -- late '08 -- I flamed at length here about Getting
> Stuff Done. The fact that NASB has languished for significantly longer
> than a decade and _/*STILL*/_ hasn't found its way out the door is an
> existential statement about Crosswire in this regard. Crosswire as a
> whole has an indecent problem with the idea of Getting Stuff Done, where
> "done" means "out the door."
>
> If you consider this from the perspective of an outside observer, it
> looks like someone literally doesn't want NASB ever to be released.
> Consider: In the last 12 years, one of my sons graduated high school,
> took a couple years off, went to college, finished college, got married,
> began a career, and had his first child, who will be a year old very
> soon. In that same time period Crosswire couldn't get the NASB module
> (set) finished.
>
> Any reason to say No is completely obliterated by saying "12 years."
> It's time to say Yes.
>
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