<p dir="ltr">Thank you very much! I will follow your suggestions.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Apr 9, 2014 1:41 AM, "Kahunapule Michael Johnson" <<a href="mailto:Kahunapule@ebible.org">Kahunapule@ebible.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Multiple \mt# titles are fine. Multiple
\h titles are not. There is no \h1 or \h2, only \h.<br>
Preserving the bilingual running headers of the print edition
would have to be done in a typesetting/printing process. Multiple
\h headers would not have the desired effect in any electronic
publication format I'm aware of, including Sword and HTML. Haiola,
for example, when reading USFM to make web pages or inScript
modules, will only remember the last \h encountered in a book, and
probably throw an error if there is an \h1 tag. Paratext will
throw an error at multiple \h tags or including a level number in
\h.<br>
<br>
USFM represents a common core of tags that is necessary to
represent the text of a Bible, but is by design not flexible
enough to do anything you want. OSIS is, but only if you write
both the input and output processes-- and that isn't very
practical. My recommendation for now is to omit the English
running headers in the Malayalam Bible USFM. If you want to mark
where they should be for the future, you can do so with \rem
(remark or comment) tags. Those won't go into Sword modules or
other common output formats, but could be manually read and acted
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<div dir="ltr">To include the English running header along with
Malayalam, can I use multiple \h1 ?<br>
How is this formating for 1. John ?<br>
<br>
\id 1JN 63_1Jn.usfm സത്യവേദപുസ്തകം<br>
\ide UTF-8<br>
\h1 1. John<br>
\h1 1. യോഹന്നാൻ<br>
\toc1 യോഹന്നാൻ എഴുതിയ ഒന്നാം ലേഖനം<br>
\toc2 1. യോഹന്നാൻ<br>
\toc3 1 യോഹ.<br>
\mt2 THE FIRST EPISTLE OF<br>
\mt1 JOHN<br>
\mt1 യോഹന്നാൻ എഴുതിയ ഒന്നാം ലേഖനം<br>
...<br>
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On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Baiju M <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:baiju.m.mail@gmail.com" target="_blank">baiju.m.mail@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div>I think repeating the \mt# would be better to
preserve the original titles.<br>
So, there will be two sets for each book, one
set for English and<br>
another for Malayalam.<br>
<br>
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<div>The example you given will change like this
based on the original title:<br>
<a href="http://i.imgur.com/yj7Tbu0.jpg" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/yj7Tbu0.jpg</a><br>
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\mt2 THE GOSPEL<br>
\mt1 ACCORDING TO JOHN<br>
\mt1 യോഹന്നാൻ എഴുതിയ സുവിശേഷം<br>
<br>
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There is another issue with page headers. As you can
see in the two images I have given<br>
in this mail thread, Malayalam bible use both
English and Malayalam in the page headers.<br>
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All the prints that I have seen use two column
printing. For the left side page, Malayalam<br>
short heading is used above the first column and
English short heading is used above<br>
the second column. For the right side page, Malayalam
short heading is used above<br>
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the second column and English short heading is used
above the first column.<br>
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Here is a better picture to show the case I explained:<br>
<a href="http://i.imgur.com/x7lJWJv.jpg" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/x7lJWJv.jpg</a><br>
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<div>Is there any tag for page headers ?<br>
<br>
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<div>If the printed Bible has both Malayalam and
English titles, those can both be put in using
the \mt# tags. You shouldn't go deeper than
\mt3, though. You can have more than one of
each level. The level indicates relative size
or emphasis, like:<br>
\mt2 The Good News<br>
\mt3 According to<br>
\mt1 John<br>
You can have more than one of each title
level, though, so you can repeat the whole set
in Malayalam. Or use \mt1 for Malayalam and
\mt2 for English. Whatever you do, though, the
\toc1, \toc2, and \toc3 tags should all have
Malayalam contents.
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<div> On 04/07/2014 06:00 PM, Baiju M wrote:<br>
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<div>Thanks David & Michael for the
feedback!<br>
<br>
In the Malayalam bible printed by the
Bible Society of India,<br>
they used both Malayalam and English
in the title.<br>
Sometimes the title span 4 lines as
given here:<br>
<a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/cu6amxbue2sscgf/1Th.jpg" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/cu6amxbue2sscgf/1Th.jpg</a><br>
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<div>Use \m1 upto \mt4 ?<br>
<br>
Should I handle this or just ignore
English titles ?<br>
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2014 at 1:51 AM, Kahunapule Michael
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<div>Hello, Baiju.<br>
<br>
The USFM looks mostly good, but
the title set seems to be in
need of editing. Also, proper
USFM requires that a paragraph
type be started between any
chapter mark and the first
verse. Normally, this is just a
plain paragraph, like<br>
<br>
\c 1<br>
\p<br>
\v 1 ആദിമുതലുള്ളതും ഞങ്ങൾ
കേട്ടതും സ്വന്ത കണ്ണുകൊണ്ടു
കണ്ടതും ഞങ്ങൾ നോക്കിയതും<br>
\v 2 ...<br>
<br>
Also, the \h, \toc1, \toc2,
\toc3, and \mt tags should all
be in the vernacular (i.e.
Malayalam), and appear in that
order.<br>
\h is a short title (i.e. "1
John") of the book for running
headers and book selection links<br>
\toc1 is the long title (i.e.
"The First Letter from the
Apostle John")<br>
\toc2 is the short title (i.e.
"1 John")<br>
\toc3 is the abbreviation of
this book used in footnotes and
cross references (i.e. "1 Jn")<br>
The \mt set can be used like:<br>
\mt2 The First Letter from the
Apostle<br>
\mt1 John<br>
<br>
Normally, \h and \toc2 have the
same content, give or take
capitalization.<br>
Normally, \toc1 is the same as
all of the \mt# tags
concatenated together (but not
always, as sometimes translators
put both long and short titles
in their entirety in those tags)<br>
If \toc3 is present, it should
be a consistently-used
abbreviation or it may be the
same as \toc2 if no
abbreviations are used.<br>
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<pre>Hi,
I have added few USFM files for Malayalam bible here:
<a href="https://bitbucket.org/sathyavedapusthakam/svpm" target="_blank">https://bitbucket.org/sathyavedapusthakam/svpm</a>
Please review the file structure and let me know if any changes required.
I have created USFM files for those books which I proofread myself.
So it may take more time to complete this work unless more volunteers
coming forward to proofread the text.
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Baiju M <a href="mailto:baiju.m.mail@gmail.com" target="_blank"><baiju.m.mail@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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<pre>Hi,
The source files were uploaded by Nishad H. Kaippally to wiki source:
<a href="http://ml.wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%B4%89%E0%B4%AA%E0%B4%AF%E0%B5%8B%E0%B4%95%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%A4%E0%B4%BE%E0%B4%B5%E0%B5%8D:Kaippally" target="_blank">http://ml.wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%B4%89%E0%B4%AA%E0%B4%AF%E0%B5%8B%E0%B4%95%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%A4%E0%B4%BE%E0%B4%B5%E0%B5%8D:Kaippally</a>
He also maintains another source here:
<a href="http://www.malayalambible.in" target="_blank">http://www.malayalambible.in</a>
<a href="http://www.malayalambible.in/docs_faq.htm" target="_blank">http://www.malayalambible.in/docs_faq.htm</a> (FAQ)
If nobody else working on Malayalam, I would like to start working on it. I
am very new here, so I need some pointers to start.
I am thinking to use wiki source version as the base. Should I move that
source into a different format (non wiki) ? Should I keep it under version
control ?
Looking forward to your suggestions.
On Feb 27, 2014 3:03 AM, "Mike Hart" <a href="mailto:just_mike_y@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><just_mike_y@yahoo.com></a> wrote:
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<pre>That page is in Malayalam, but appears to claim the bible being presented
at that wikisource page is an 1870 British and Foreign Bible Society work
(possibly updated in 1910). However, my ability to read Malayalam is
somewhat nonexistent. One of the links close to the Bottom takes you to
individual page views of a PDF which claims on this page:
Encoded by Nishad H. Kaippally 1992 From the Orignal Bible Society of
India Bible. Please report errors in content to <a href="mailto:kaippally@gmail.com" target="_blank">kaippally@gmail.com</a>
It looks like a clean source (from the standpoint of provenance) if this
can be verified.
On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:35 PM, Baiju M <a href="mailto:baiju.m.mail@gmail.com" target="_blank"><baiju.m.mail@gmail.com></a>
wrote:
Hi,
Is there anyone working on Malayalam (Indian language) module ?
I found this free text here. Is it possible to use it as a source ?
<a href="http://ml.wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%B4%B8%E0%B4%A4%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%AF%E0%B4%B5%E0%B5%87%E0%B4%A6%E0%B4%AA%E0%B5%81%E0%B4%B8%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%A4%E0%B4%95%E0%B4%82" target="_blank">http://ml.wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%B4%B8%E0%B4%A4%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%AF%E0%B4%B5%E0%B5%87%E0%B4%A6%E0%B4%AA%E0%B5%81%E0%B4%B8%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%A4%E0%B4%95%E0%B4%82</a>
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