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Hi Pypsik, <br>
<br>
if these two processes are copyrightable should depend on the
country. There were no statements made as to where that company
sits. In the European Union, only <i>creative acts</i> are
copyrightable. You don't have a copyright just because you put a lot
of work into, say, digitalizing a text (this is why the German Bible
Society doesn't have a copyright on the e-text of the German Menge
bible, but that's a different story). <br>
<br>
From what I have gathered about international copyright, it doesn't
matter much what the copyright situation is like in the country of
origin, it matters what the law says in your country. This is why so
many Linux distributions can't offer DVD support - because in some
countries, there are patents or laws against working around a copy
protection. So they offer additional semi-official package sources.
<br>
<br>
I am not sure how copyright is applied internationally. The EU laws
should be a pretty good standard to measure by, but then there could
be countries where things are handled entirely differently. I would
think Crosswire will probably not face any difficulties if they
provided the module with a disclaimer that the module might be
illegal in your country to use. <br>
<br>
It might be a good idea to to check where a copyright can be applied
at least in the major Russian speaking countries first though. If
Russia is like Germany, you should be able to find the relevant laws
online, or at least an article on Wikipedia. <br>
<br>
Hope that helps! <br>
<br>
Ben<br>
<br>
Am 28.03.2011 18:41, schrieb Pypsik Pypsik:
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10pt;">Chris,<br>
<br>
per our discussion
via e-mails, there
were TWO reasons
for removal of
RST.<br>
<br>
Reason 1:<br>
<br>
RST module having
KJV versification
- meaning that in
a printed copy of
Russian Bible some
verses are
combined, where in
KJV they are split
into two separate
verses, etc.
Sounds like some
front-ends crash
and NOT able to
present/consume
RST versification.<br>
<br>
So, for years the
RST Bible that was
out there, used
the KJV
versification with
no problems. I've
used it in Windows
Sword, iPod Touch,
Android phone with
no problems.<br>
<br>
Per our latest
correspondence
you've told me the
following:<br>
<br>
<span
style="font-style:
italic;">" 1)
The KJV and its
versification
system are in
the public
domain, due to </span><br
style="font-style:
italic;">
<span
style="font-style:
italic;">their
age. The Synodal
Bible and its
versification
system are also
in </span><br
style="font-style:
italic;">
<span
style="font-style:
italic;">the
public domain,
due to their
age.</span><br
style="font-style:
italic;">
<br
style="font-style:
italic;">
<span
style="font-style:
italic;">The act
of mapping the
Synodal Bible
onto the KJV
versification
system </span><br
style="font-style:
italic;">
<span
style="font-style:
italic;">is a
complex
procedure that
was done by
hand, and the
company that </span><br
style="font-style:
italic;">
<span
style="font-style:
italic;">commissioned
it claims
copyright."</span><br>
<br>
Yes, both are in
public domain, but
conversion from
Synodal to KJV,
can't it be done
with something
like this of a
command with utils
out there?<br>
<br>
osis2mod rsto
RST_My_Bible.xml
-z -v KJV<br>
<br>
I'm at a loss as
to why this
"conversion" would
be copyrighted.
It's a relatively
a simple process.
If anyone can
please explain,
shed more light on
this, I'd greatly
appreciate it...<br>
<br>
<br>
Reason 2:<br>
<br>
Strong Numbers
being present in
the RST that was
removed. Per our
discussion you've
mentioned:<br>
<br>
<span
style="font-style:
italic;">"Strong's
numbers aren't
themselves
copyrighted, but
their assignment
</span><br
style="font-style:
italic;">
<span
style="font-style:
italic;">to
particular words
in a text
generally
requires hand
tagging. The </span><br
style="font-style:
italic;">
<span
style="font-style:
italic;">company
that
commissioned the
Strong's tagging
claims copyright
on them.</span><br
style="font-style:
italic;">
<br
style="font-style:
italic;">
<span
style="font-style:
italic;">Further,
the company that
holds copyright
on this
particular
Synodal </span><br
style="font-style:
italic;">
<span
style="font-style:
italic;">Bible
text is not
interested in
licensing it.</span>"<br>
<br>
I'd like to know
WHO is this
company, perhaps I
or others can try
to contact them
and work thru this
and reach an
agreement. Some of
the apps that use
RST module out
there with Strong
Numbers have this
line:<br>
<br>
"Strong's coding
copyrighted by Bob
Jones University,
1996"<br>
<br>
So is it a matter
of contacting BJU
(I'll fly out
there if I have
to!) or the
russian app owners
and ask
permission?<br>
<br>
Again, brethren,
what are you
thoughts on this
item/reason #2?<br>
<br>
---------------<br>
In summary, I
wholeheartedly
agree...removing
the RST module and
leaving Slavic
speaking users
without any FULL
russian Bible is
not a good thing
at all. <br>
<br>
What I don't get,
is:<br>
<br>
After years of RST
being out there,
(with thousands of
mistakes of spaces
missing between
words..which we've
set out to
correct)...if
there were
formal/informal
complaints lodged
against Crosswire
that we are in
fact violating #2
reason, why have
we not been given
a chance to review
those complaints,
STRIP OUT Strong
Numbers for the
time being, as we
work on some
agreement and have
non-Strong RST
Bible out there in
the meantime? <br>
<br>
However, contrary
to this, no
recourse or chance
to correct was
presented to us,
instead...**
poooof ** and the
Bible
disappeared. In
all due respect,
this is NOT how
this should have
transpired and how
WE should operate.<br>
<br>
Personally, I
agree that Strong
numbers maybe an
issue, but KJV
versification...?<br>
<br>
In regards to RST
in experimental
repo, the last I
knew, the one out
there is old and
dull, and doesn't
have the
corrections.<br>
<br>
For that very
reason, <span
class="yiv432094882email">Wjatscheslaw
has submitted a
corrected RST a
year ago. My and
other folks
inquiry as to
the status of
this correct RST
- resulted in
the existing
RST-with-mistakes
being removed.
But, submitted
corrected
RST....is a
whole different
story...for
another day....<br>
<br>
for the time
being....<br>
<br>
What needs to be
done get this
RST-with-spaces-missing
that was out
there for years
back in the
Sword
Repository..so
that users have
something!??
Remove Strong
numbers?<br>
</span><br>
Please Chris,
Troy, Peter,
David,
anyone....let me
know.<br>
<br>
Thank you and God
Bless~<br>
<br>
- Pypsik<br>
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