[sword-devel] Fwd: Re: module supplied v11n

Chris Burrell chris at burrell.me.uk
Thu Jan 9 06:17:53 MST 2014

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From: "Chris Burrell" <chris at burrell.me.uk>
Date: 9 Jan 2014 08:32
Subject: Re: [sword-devel] module supplied v11n
To: "Familie von Kaehne" <refdoc at gmx.net>

These are the modules from Michael K. Can't remember exact number. He has
roughly 200-280 modules, mostly from Papua New Guinea. I wrote a simplistic
versification detection mechanism. But there were still lots of issues
which boiled down as follows

- Modules that need a combination of at least 2 versifications. E.g some
books only ever defined in OT versification (I think macc 3 and various
combinations of Daniel are examples of these)
- Many extra verses or chapters that don't really fit in our existing v11ns
- A combination of the above.

>From memory at least 60-80% of modules had issues as above.

On 9 Jan 2014 00:48, "refdoc at gmx.net" <refdoc at gmx.net> wrote:

> While I can see the benefit of module supplied v11n I am rather astonished
>  about your suggestion you had 200 modules for which no versifications
> fits.
> This does not appear terribly likely . Can you please clarify?
> Sent from my HTC
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> From: "Chris Burrell" <chris at burrell.me.uk>
> To: "SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum" <sword-devel at crosswire.org>
> Subject: [sword-devel] module supplied v11n
> Date: Wed, Jan 8, 2014 22:55
> Hi
> Packaging a v11n with its module is probably next on my list of
> improvements to the JSword project. We have 200+ minority language modules
> for which no registered v11ns exist. So the easiest will be to package with
> it. So if anyone has a format suggestion, please let me know. Are we
> definitely going to host this in the data folder? rather than the conf
> file? JSword's versification mappings are stored in properties file, with
> readable textual references. And I like the idea of being able to check
> that visually. If possible, it would be nicer to have that in a readable
> form, rather than binary which makes things difficult to troubleshoot.
> (just my 2 pennies)
> (There's already code in JSword to map between versifications btw. I
> believe Sword has some too.)
> Chris
> On 6 January 2014 15:19, Костя Маслюк <kostyamaslyuk at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Another thing that was encountered with many concerns is ability to
>> deploy with module it's v11n system.
>> Technically this task is quite simple, but we have found that difficulty
>> is in the area of defining policies. Due to concerns that this feature will
>> be used as we not suppose it to be used it cant be "public" and even maybe
>> should not be documented.
>> I still see some points that this feature makes sense for:
>> 1. It will help to test and fix bugs when we start to release sword with
>> av11n-mappings support. We would switch any particular module from sword
>> supplied v11n to module supplied and vice versa at any time and do not wait
>> next sword release.
>> 2. if we define binary format for v11n it would give better sync with
>> jsword development. I think it would be useful if there will be ability to
>> export v11ns with mappings data from sword core into file and then supply
>> those files with jsword.
>> 3. many v11ns would be supplied only with modules as not many people
>> actually use them. Regular Bible reader may need only one versification
>> system.
>> 4. it just add flexibility and freedom, important principles for free
>> software development.
>> Technically:
>> module will have one additional file in its data folder, it store v11n
>> data in binary format. Mappings data is also included. When SWMgr loads
>> module it also register v11n from that file. To avoid collisions v11n name
>> is equal to loaded module name.
>> Blessings.
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