2 Chronicles 25:14

Psalms 3:1

Save Me, O My God A Psalm of David, <note n="n" osisID="Ps.3.1!crossReference.n" osisRef="Ps.3.1" type="crossReference"> See <reference osisRef="2Sam.15.14-2Sam.15.17">2 Sam. 15:14-17</reference> </note> when he fled from Absalom his son.

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Any ideas if this is a bug (perhaps this is similar to a thread I started yesterday). Presumably the canonical should not be output, or it should be output but within a Psalm.3.0 div (or at least in proximity of a div Psalm.3.0 tag) Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dfhmch at googlemail.com Sun Jul 14 07:53:06 2013 From: dfhmch at googlemail.com (David Haslam) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 07:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sword-devel] Psalm 3.1 returns canonical title In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1373813586330-4652816.post@n4.nabble.com> Chris, Is the reported OSIS fragment from the original XML source code used to make the ESV module? Or is it the output from the deprecated utility mod2osis ? David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Psalm-3-1-returns-canonical-title-tp4652815p4652816.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From chris at burrell.me.uk Sun Jul 14 08:11:48 2013 From: chris at burrell.me.uk (Chris Burrell) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:11:48 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Psalm 3.1 returns canonical title In-Reply-To: <1373813586330-4652816.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1373813586330-4652816.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: It's from jsword. On 14 Jul 2013 15:54, "David Haslam" wrote: > Chris, > > Is the reported OSIS fragment from the original XML source code used to > make > the ESV module? > > Or is it the output from the deprecated utility mod2osis ? > > David > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Psalm-3-1-returns-canonical-title-tp4652815p4652816.html > Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmsmith at crosswire.org Sun Jul 14 12:13:27 2013 From: dmsmith at crosswire.org (DM Smith) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 15:13:27 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Psalm 3.1 returns canonical title In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <534A7CD7-9BE0-482A-A74E-10DEF9CB5706@crosswire.org> This is in reply to this and another thread on the same subject. And cross-posting to JSword-devel to which this and the other post belong. First, Verse 0 is a SWORD construct indicating non-canonical material standing before the first verse, whether of the testament, book or chapter. It should never have canonical material in it. It was originally used for just headings and typically only has one or more titles, but more generally applies to any introductory material. It is possible for an author of OSIS to mark introductory material as canonical. However that is a bad practice. To my knowledge, Psalm headings/titles and book colophons are the only canonical material outside of verses. The difference between the two is that the Psalm title needs to appear before the verse number. We use a special construct for this called the "preverse" div, which is prepended to the canonical verse content. The attributes on the title element are taken from the OSIS source. This preverse div is part of the stored entry for the verse. A colophon merely appears after the last verse of the book and has no specific delineation from the last verse. They are merely appended to that verse when the OSIS is converted to a module. I could modify osis2mod to have an osisID, based upon the verse that it precedes. But the reason that you don't find an osisID on the material that stands before the verse is that the authored OSIS does not have one. BTW, in the sample below the wrapping div, the x-gen entries and the verse begin/end are created by JSword, but otherwise the content is exactly what comes out of the OSIS module. I'm not clear on where you are going with this line of questions. It might help if we knew what you were trying to accomplish. In Him, DM On Jul 14, 2013, at 5:28 AM, Chris Burrell wrote: > Hello > > In the ESV, if we simply look up one verse, we get the canonical title. However, the canonical title is not attached to any verse. There is also no previous osisID in the fragment for which we can determine the fact it's part of verse 0. > >

> Psalms 3:1 >

> Save Me, O My God > > A Psalm of David, > <note n="n" osisID="Ps.3.1!crossReference.n" osisRef="Ps.3.1" type="crossReference"> > See > <reference osisRef="2Sam.15.14-2Sam.15.17">2 Sam. 15:14-17</reference> > </note> > when he fled from Absalom his son. > > >

> > ... >

> > Any ideas if this is a bug (perhaps this is similar to a thread I started yesterday). > Presumably the canonical should not be output, or it should be output but within a Psalm.3.0 div (or at least in proximity of a div Psalm.3.0 tag) > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 4145 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chris at burrell.me.uk Sun Jul 14 12:54:32 2013 From: chris at burrell.me.uk (Chris Burrell) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 20:54:32 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Psalm 3.1 returns canonical title In-Reply-To: <534A7CD7-9BE0-482A-A74E-10DEF9CB5706@crosswire.org> References: <534A7CD7-9BE0-482A-A74E-10DEF9CB5706@crosswire.org> Message-ID: This affects me in quite a number of different ways. All of which have to do with parallel displaying, comparing, interlinears, etc. I had assumed that Psalm titles should fall under the verse 0 construct. And as a result it meant I could map verse 0 in the NRSV versification to 0 (via the KJV) to verse 1 in the Leningrad versification. My pre-supposition was that anything from chapter-start to verse 1 should fall under the verse 0 construct. *So, if I ask for a full chapter, *although the canonical content isn't part of a 'verse' (or even part of the div marking verse.0), I can remember the fact I've seen verse 0, and therefore consider anything before verse 1 (like the Psalm heading) to be in verse 0. This then means that we get very nice mappings from Psalms headers to Leningrad verse 1. *For a single verse, *there is no osisID on any fragment before the verse, and therefore I'd have to write (ugly?) code to try and map it to the Leningrad verse 1. >From the sounds of it, I'm exploiting something that wasn't by design, but something that makes parallel displays look so much better. I'm open to ideas? I'd like to get to a position when we can address pre-verse content separately to the verse it is contained in. Chris On 14 July 2013 20:13, DM Smith wrote: > This is in reply to this and another thread on the same subject. And > cross-posting to JSword-devel to which this and the other post belong. > > First, Verse 0 is a SWORD construct indicating non-canonical material > standing before the first verse, whether of the testament, book or chapter. > It should never have canonical material in it. It was originally used for > just headings and typically only has one or more titles, but more generally > applies to any introductory material. It is possible for an author of OSIS > to mark introductory material as canonical. However that is a bad practice. > > To my knowledge, Psalm headings/titles and book colophons are the only > canonical material outside of verses. The difference between the two is > that the Psalm title needs to appear before the verse number. We use a > special construct for this called the "preverse" div, which is prepended to > the canonical verse content. The attributes on the title element are taken > from the OSIS source. This preverse div is part of the stored entry for > the verse. > > A colophon merely appears after the last verse of the book and has no > specific delineation from the last verse. They are merely appended to that > verse when the OSIS is converted to a module. > > I could modify osis2mod to have an osisID, based upon the verse that it > precedes. But the reason that you don't find an osisID on the material that > stands before the verse is that the authored OSIS does not have one. > > BTW, in the sample below the wrapping div, the x-gen entries and the verse > begin/end are created by JSword, but otherwise the content is exactly what > comes out of the OSIS module. > > I'm not clear on where you are going with this line of questions. It might > help if we knew what you were trying to accomplish. > > In Him, > DM > > > On Jul 14, 2013, at 5:28 AM, Chris Burrell wrote: > > > Hello > > > > In the ESV, if we simply look up one verse, we get the canonical title. > However, the canonical title is not attached to any verse. There is also no > previous osisID in the fragment for which we can determine the fact it's > part of verse 0. > > > >

> > Psalms 3:1 > >

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> > Save Me, O My God > > > > A Psalm of David, > > <note n="n" osisID="Ps.3.1!crossReference.n" osisRef="Ps.3.1" > type="crossReference"> > > See > > <reference osisRef="2Sam.15.14-2Sam.15.17">2 Sam. > 15:14-17</reference> > > </note> > > when he fled from Absalom his son. > > > > > >

> > > > ... > >

> > > > Any ideas if this is a bug (perhaps this is similar to a thread I > started yesterday). > > Presumably the canonical should not be output, or it should be output > but within a Psalm.3.0 div (or at least in proximity of a div Psalm.3.0 tag) > > Chris > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dcowens76 at gmail.com Sun Jul 14 18:20:55 2013 From: dcowens76 at gmail.com (Daniel Owens) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:20:55 +0800 Subject: [sword-devel] OSMHB module In-Reply-To: References: <51E1F6F9.9090806@aol.com> Message-ID: <51E34E77.4090609@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidtroidl at aol.com Mon Jul 15 11:08:10 2013 From: davidtroidl at aol.com (davidtroidl at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [sword-devel] OSMHB module In-Reply-To: References: <51E1F6F9.9090806@aol.com> Message-ID: <8D04F9D668253C7-1814-EA352@webmail-vm003.sysops.aol.com> The files are there to stay. A module is just an added benefit to SWORD users. Daniel Owens produced the module in the first place, and he would be up on what it would take to redo it. Now that alternate v11n has been adopted, I would assume it could be prepared by just adjusting the lemma attributes. If I remember correctly, SWORD requires strong: as a prefix to Strong lemmas, and the augment lemmas (a, b, etc.) could either be left as is, or given an aug: prefix, to distinguish them. Though we do also have prefixes in the lemma, like b/7225. I'm not sure what would be done with these. To just get a module going, you could drop that part of the lemma for now. The name of the module should be OSHB. David -----Original Message----- From: Chris Burrell To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum Sent: Sun, Jul 14, 2013 4:04 am Subject: Re: [sword-devel] OSMHB module Thanks David. A few of extra questions: - It looks from the files under the wlc folder that they are there to stay. Or do they get ripped out upon module creation? Is there a reason why they are not using "seg"? - How does one go about making the new OHB module? Chris On 14 July 2013 01:55, David Troidl wrote: The slashes are morphological divisions. They come from the Westminster Hebrew Institute, through Chris Kimball, at http://www.tanach.us/Tanach.xml#Home The OSMHB is an older module. Work has continued on the OSHB, our updated version, at https://github.com/openscriptures/morphhb No one has gotten around to updating the module, though. David On 7/13/2013 12:10 PM, Chris Burrell wrote: Hi I'm looking at the Hebrew text, and I'm seeing some forward slashes. Can someone help me understand if this is a module issue or the slash means something. Below is 2 Chronicles 25:14. The second last 'w' has a forward slash in it.

2 Chronicles 25:14???????? ???????? ????? ????????????? ??????????? ?????????????? ????????? ???????????? ??????? ???????? ??????????????? ???? ?????????? ????????????? ??????????????? ????/???? ??????????

This also occurs in other places ( for example, 1Chr.11.24; 12.19;). Interestingly, the times I'm seeing a /, are also the times when no strong numbers have been coded against it. Chris _______________________________________________ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page _______________________________________________ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page _______________________________________________ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at burrell.me.uk Mon Jul 15 12:41:32 2013 From: chris at burrell.me.uk (Chris Burrell) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:41:32 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] OSMHB module In-Reply-To: <8D04F9D668253C7-1814-EA352@webmail-vm003.sysops.aol.com> References: <51E1F6F9.9090806@aol.com> <8D04F9D668253C7-1814-EA352@webmail-vm003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Below a couple of files that do the conversion: https://github.com/tyndale/step/blob/master/step-tools/src/main/java/com/tyndalehouse/step/tools/osis/OHBParser.java https://github.com/tyndale/step/blob/master/step-tools/src/main/resources/com/tyndalehouse/step/tools/osis/ohb_parser.xsl I think the only dependency on the Java front is Apache Commons File Utils. The process is quite simple: - Takes 2 arguments: a source directory + a output file - Reads in the first file - Appends anything other than "header" from all other files - Runs the XSLT I decided to strip out the prefixes/lemmas that were not numbers. Feel free to use the code, change it, etc. I'm pretty sure it's right, but please let me know if you spot some issues with it. Thanks for the help on this. Chris On 15 July 2013 19:08, wrote: > The files are there to stay. A module is just an added benefit to SWORD > users. Daniel Owens produced the module in the first place, and he would > be up on what it would take to redo it. Now that alternate v11n has been > adopted, I would assume it could be prepared by just adjusting the lemma > attributes. If I remember correctly, SWORD requires strong: as a prefix to > Strong lemmas, and the augment lemmas (a, b, etc.) could either be left as > is, or given an aug: prefix, to distinguish them. Though we do also have > prefixes in the lemma, like b/7225. I'm not sure what would be done with > these. To just get a module going, you could drop that part of the lemma > for now. The name of the module should be OSHB. > > David > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Burrell > To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum > Sent: Sun, Jul 14, 2013 4:04 am > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] OSMHB module > > Thanks David. A few of extra questions: > > - It looks from the files under the wlc folder that they are there to > stay. Or do they get ripped out upon module creation? Is there a reason why > they are not using "seg"? > - How does one go about making the new OHB module? > > > Chris > > > > On 14 July 2013 01:55, David Troidl wrote: > >> The slashes are morphological divisions. They come from the Westminster >> Hebrew Institute, through Chris Kimball, at >> http://www.tanach.us/Tanach.xml#Home >> >> The OSMHB is an older module. Work has continued on the OSHB, our >> updated version, at >> https://github.com/openscriptures/morphhb >> No one has gotten around to updating the module, though. >> >> David >> >> >> On 7/13/2013 12:10 PM, Chris Burrell wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> I'm looking at the Hebrew text, and I'm seeing some forward slashes. Can >> someone help me understand if this is a module issue or the slash means >> something. >> >> Below is 2 Chronicles 25:14. The second last 'w' has a forward slash in >> it. >> >>

2 Chronicles 25:14> osisID="2Chr.25.14">???????? > lemma="strong:H0310">???????? ????? > lemma="strong:H0558">????????????? > lemma="strong:H5221">??????????? ???> type="x-maqqef">??????????? > lemma="strong:H0935">????????? ???> type="x-maqqef">????????? > lemma="strong:H1121">??????? ???????? > lemma="strong:H5975">??????????????? ???? > lemma="strong:H0430">?????????? > lemma="strong:H6440">????????????? > lemma="strong:H7812">??????????????? *????/????* > lemma="strong:H6999">?????????> type="x-sof-pasuq">?

>> >> >> This also occurs in other places ( for example, 1Chr.11.24; 12.19;). >> Interestingly, the times I'm seeing a /, are also the times when no strong >> numbers have been coded against it. >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.orghttp://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >> > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.orghttp://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One has strong numbers (FreLSG), the other one doesn't (FreSegond) Having said that the history of FreSegond suggests it should have strong numbers. And it's the most up-to-date one. Any ideas which is the best module? Presumably the av11n one? But it is simply missing the config? Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scribe at crosswire.org Mon Jul 15 20:15:40 2013 From: scribe at crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 05:15:40 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] SWORD 1.7.0 final stretch In-Reply-To: References: , <51DF0F7B.1070503@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <51E4BADC.3040404@crosswire.org> OK, wrapping up final things for packaging up 1.7.0. Jaak, I've normalized ListKey for you, so you should have your getCount const and added getElement const and non-const methods. Other method names have been normalized with old names deprecated, so this will almost certainly cause deprecation warning in clients. Does anyone have Ubuntu installed and can try building the swig bindings to confirm or deny they have the same problem as Peter? This is using autotools. Simply compile and install sword, then cd to bindings/swig/package and follow the short README. Thank for any testing. Troy On 07/12/2013 12:27 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: >> Von: "Troy A. Griffitts" >> Just to confirm, you're building and installing sword, then building the >> bindings, yes? > Yes > >> pkg-config sword --libs > peter at peter-ThinkPad-Twist:~$ pkg-config sword --libs > -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions -Wl,-z,relro -L/usr/local/lib -lsword -lz -lcurl -lclucene -licui18n -licuuc -licudata -ldl -lm -licuio > >> and also when you build the python bindings, could you send me the build >> output lines for the compile, > Please see attached build.log. The order of commands was > > ./autogen.sh > build.log > ./configure >>build.log > make pythonswig >>build.log 2>&1 > make python_make >>build.log 2>&1 > > I added empty lines to separate the bits, but you will recognise the relevant anyway. > > Peter > > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scribe at crosswire.org Mon Jul 15 22:49:55 2013 From: scribe at crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:49:55 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] SWORD 1.7.0 final stretch In-Reply-To: <51E4BADC.3040404@crosswire.org> References: , <51DF0F7B.1070503@crosswire.org> <51E4BADC.3040404@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <51E4DF03.3050306@crosswire.org> It seems we've all been negligent updating ChangeLog. I've seeded it will the svn log since the last release. I spent a while reviewing the entries and deleted about 70% of them that had to do with "fixed this, improved that" or entries where I saw something like "added iOS XCode Project" with a later "removed iOS XCode Project" (sorry Manfred) :) Anyway, we only want stuff in there that a use of the API might actually care about reading. Each release comes with the general "lots of bugs fixed and things optimized," so we don't need these entries. Can I ask you to review your entries from the svn log which I've added to ChangeLog, delete the ones I've left which you still don't think important to include, and reformat your remaining entries into our standard ChangeLog entry format and make the wording read a little better than our usual svn log informalities. Thanks! Troy On 07/16/2013 05:15 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > OK, wrapping up final things for packaging up 1.7.0. > > Jaak, I've normalized ListKey for you, so you should have your > getCount const and added getElement const and non-const methods. > Other method names have been normalized with old names deprecated, so > this will almost certainly cause deprecation warning in clients. > > Does anyone have Ubuntu installed and can try building the swig > bindings to confirm or deny they have the same problem as Peter? This > is using autotools. Simply compile and install sword, then cd to > bindings/swig/package and follow the short README. Thank for any testing. > > Troy > > > On 07/12/2013 12:27 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: >>> Von: "Troy A. Griffitts" >>> Just to confirm, you're building and installing sword, then building the >>> bindings, yes? >> Yes >> >>> pkg-config sword --libs >> peter at peter-ThinkPad-Twist:~$ pkg-config sword --libs >> -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions -Wl,-z,relro -L/usr/local/lib -lsword -lz -lcurl -lclucene -licui18n -licuuc -licudata -ldl -lm -licuio >> >>> and also when you build the python bindings, could you send me the build >>> output lines for the compile, >> Please see attached build.log. The order of commands was >> >> ./autogen.sh > build.log >> ./configure >>build.log >> make pythonswig >>build.log 2>&1 >> make python_make >>build.log 2>&1 >> >> I added empty lines to separate the bits, but you will recognise the relevant anyway. >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sword-devel mailing list:sword-devel at crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From manfred.bergmann at me.com Mon Jul 15 23:39:24 2013 From: manfred.bergmann at me.com (Manfred Bergmann) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:39:24 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] SWORD 1.7.0 final stretch In-Reply-To: <51E4DF03.3050306@crosswire.org> References: <51DF0F7B.1070503@crosswire.org> <51E4BADC.3040404@crosswire.org> <51E4DF03.3050306@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <5B9B5CEA-E053-4D3D-B572-322C2719290F@me.com> That's all right. The ObjC wrapper user probably expects that it builds against the current SWORD sources. Saying that, I had to update the Xcode project as more files had been removed/added in SWORD. Manfred Am 16.07.2013 um 07:49 schrieb Troy A. Griffitts : > It seems we've all been negligent updating ChangeLog. > > I've seeded it will the svn log since the last release. I spent a while reviewing the entries and deleted about 70% of them that had to do with "fixed this, improved that" or entries where I saw something like "added iOS XCode Project" with a later "removed iOS XCode Project" (sorry Manfred) :) > > Anyway, we only want stuff in there that a use of the API might actually care about reading. Each release comes with the general "lots of bugs fixed and things optimized," so we don't need these entries. > > Can I ask you to review your entries from the svn log which I've added to ChangeLog, delete the ones I've left which you still don't think important to include, and reformat your remaining entries into our standard ChangeLog entry format and make the wording read a little better than our usual svn log informalities. > > Thanks! > > Troy > > > > On 07/16/2013 05:15 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: >> OK, wrapping up final things for packaging up 1.7.0. >> >> Jaak, I've normalized ListKey for you, so you should have your getCount const and added getElement const and non-const methods. Other method names have been normalized with old names deprecated, so this will almost certainly cause deprecation warning in clients. >> >> Does anyone have Ubuntu installed and can try building the swig bindings to confirm or deny they have the same problem as Peter? This is using autotools. Simply compile and install sword, then cd to bindings/swig/package and follow the short README. Thank for any testing. >> >> Troy >> >> >> On 07/12/2013 12:27 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: >>>> Von: "Troy A. Griffitts" >>>> Just to confirm, you're building and installing sword, then building the >>>> bindings, yes? >>>> >>> Yes >>> >>> >>>> pkg-config sword --libs >>>> >>> peter at peter-ThinkPad-Twist:~$ pkg-config sword --libs >>> -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions -Wl,-z,relro -L/usr/local/lib -lsword -lz -lcurl -lclucene -licui18n -licuuc -licudata -ldl -lm -licuio >>> >>> >>>> and also when you build the python bindings, could you send me the build >>>> output lines for the compile, >>>> >>> Please see attached build.log. The order of commands was >>> >>> ./autogen.sh > build.log >>> ./configure >>build.log >>> make pythonswig >>build.log 2>&1 >>> make python_make >>build.log 2>&1 >>> >>> I added empty lines to separate the bits, but you will recognise the relevant anyway. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sword-devel mailing list: >>> sword-devel at crosswire.org >>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> >>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sword-devel mailing list: >> sword-devel at crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >> > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page From dfhmch at googlemail.com Tue Jul 16 01:00:59 2013 From: dfhmch at googlemail.com (David Haslam) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 01:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sword-devel] KJVA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1373961659246-4652828.post@n4.nabble.com> JSword based front-ends not only need to have a different module name and have their own path location, but the descriptions must be unique too! I already discussed this with DM Smith in regard to Bible Desktop. See http://crosswire.org/wiki/DevTools:conf_Files#Uniqueness So - yes - the KJVA Description ought to be different from the KJV. I have therefore added an issue in our tracker. http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MOD-250 David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/KJVA-tp4652823p4652828.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dfhmch at googlemail.com Tue Jul 16 01:17:03 2013 From: dfhmch at googlemail.com (David Haslam) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 01:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sword-devel] Strong numbers for Louis Segond In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1373962623232-4652829.post@n4.nabble.com> You have posed an interesting question. FreSegond Obsoletes=FreLSG FreSegond v2.0.1 in CrossWire Av11n repo is later than v1.6 in CrossWire Main. They are made from different sources! v2.0.1 is from VulSearch. v1.6 was from Unbound Bible. History_2.0=added Deuterocanonicals, switched to VulSearch version (2009-10-24) The conf files for both include these earlier details: History_1.2=Added Morph option History_1.1=Added Strongs However, the output from mod2imp shows no evidence of either Strongs or Morph. David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Strong-numbers-for-Louis-Segond-tp4652824p4652829.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From chris at burrell.me.uk Tue Jul 16 01:22:39 2013 From: chris at burrell.me.uk (Chris Burrell) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 09:22:39 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Strong numbers for Louis Segond In-Reply-To: <1373962623232-4652829.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1373962623232-4652829.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: I guess my main question on this is whether they were removed because of copyright reasons? Chris On 16 July 2013 09:17, David Haslam wrote: > You have posed an interesting question. > > FreSegond Obsoletes=FreLSG > > FreSegond v2.0.1 in CrossWire Av11n repo is later than v1.6 in CrossWire > Main. > > > They are made from different sources! > > v2.0.1 is from VulSearch. > v1.6 was from Unbound Bible. > > History_2.0=added Deuterocanonicals, switched to VulSearch version > (2009-10-24) > > The conf files for both include these earlier details: > > History_1.2=Added Morph option > History_1.1=Added Strongs > > However, the output from mod2imp shows no evidence of either Strongs or > Morph. > > David > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Strong-numbers-for-Louis-Segond-tp4652824p4652829.html > Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dfhmch at googlemail.com Tue Jul 16 01:30:17 2013 From: dfhmch at googlemail.com (David Haslam) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 01:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sword-devel] Strong numbers for Louis Segond In-Reply-To: <1373962623232-4652829.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1373962623232-4652829.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1373963417927-4652831.post@n4.nabble.com> Googling for further clues came up with this: http://www.labibleonline.com/telecharger-gratuit.html - La Bible Louis Segond 1910 avec les num?ros Strong The download has this further description: Texte du domaine public mais enrichi avec les num?ros Strong par *Timnathserah, Inc* au Canada. Tyndale STEP already knew that. See http://dev.stepbible.org/version.jsp?version=FreLSG *Copyright information* Version Louis Segond 1910 (LSG) avec Strongs Texte libre de droits Strongs (c) Timnathserah, Inc - Canada & Editions CLE - Villeurbanne - France So unless CrossWire obtains permissions from Timnathserah, Inc and/or Editions CLE, we cannot legally distribute a module with Strongs. David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Strong-numbers-for-Louis-Segond-tp4652824p4652831.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dfhmch at googlemail.com Tue Jul 16 01:37:10 2013 From: dfhmch at googlemail.com (David Haslam) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 01:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sword-devel] Strong numbers for Louis Segond In-Reply-To: References: <1373962623232-4652829.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1373963830563-4652832.post@n4.nabble.com> Our policy is to withdraw any module for which there is uncertainty about the copyright status of either the whole text or the added markup. i.e. On the precautionary principle. The proper procedure therefore would be for a request to be sent to Timnathserah, Inc - Canada & Editions CLE - Villeurbanne - France. Yet the fact that we now include the DC books and use the text from VulSearch does rather complicate matters. It would not be within CrossWire's remit to merge the Strongs/Morph markup with the VulSearch text. That would create a new source text, along with the responsibilities to maintain it. The latter goes against our general policy for not being the owner/maintainer of authentic source texts. (the only exception being for the KJV module). David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Strong-numbers-for-Louis-Segond-tp4652824p4652832.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From refdoc at gmx.net Tue Jul 16 01:40:11 2013 From: refdoc at gmx.net (Peter von Kaehne) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 10:40:11 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [sword-devel] SWORD 1.7.0 final stretch In-Reply-To: <51E4BADC.3040404@crosswire.org> References: , <51DF0F7B.1070503@crosswire.org> , <51E4BADC.3040404@crosswire.org> Message-ID: Von:?"Troy A. Griffitts" > Does anyone have Ubuntu installed and can try building the swig bindings to confirm or deny they have the same problem as > Peter?? This is using autotools.? Simply compile and install sword, then cd to bindings/swig/package and follow the short > README.? Thank for any testing. We know already that 12.04LTS has no problems. Greg confirmed this. I have problems on 12.10 and 13.04. But: One of the most recent changes must have introduced a new problem. Running a program using the Perl bindings causes following error messages. This was not present a few iterations ago. peter at peter-ThinkPad-Twist:~/Source/sword/bindings/swig/package/python$ ~/Source/sword-tools/modules/crossreferences/xreffix.pl UTF8Transliterator: ICU: no resource index to load UTF8Transliterator: ICU: status U_MISSING_RESOURCE_ERROR Afterwards the program runs. I have not yet been able to test if there are more serious problems. Peter From niccarter at mac.com Tue Jul 16 03:22:58 2013 From: niccarter at mac.com (Nic Carter) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:22:58 +1000 Subject: [sword-devel] KJVA In-Reply-To: <1373961659246-4652828.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1373961659246-4652828.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Wouldn't this be classified as a bug in JSword? However, I do agree that it would be nice to update the description of the KJVA to indicate the difference between it and the KJV module, but are there good arguments for the descriptions to be the same? But, again, I'd be tempted to classify this as a bug in JSword, as SWORD is the spec that we work from? just my 2 cents...... :) On 16/07/2013, at 6:00 PM, David Haslam wrote: > JSword based front-ends not only need to have a different module name and > have their own path location, but the descriptions must be unique too! > > I already discussed this with DM Smith in regard to Bible Desktop. > > See http://crosswire.org/wiki/DevTools:conf_Files#Uniqueness > > So - yes - the KJVA Description ought to be different from the KJV. > > I have therefore added an issue in our tracker. > > http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MOD-250 > > David > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/KJVA-tp4652823p4652828.html > Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page From chris at burrell.me.uk Tue Jul 16 03:25:10 2013 From: chris at burrell.me.uk (Chris Burrell) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:25:10 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] KJVA In-Reply-To: References: <1373961659246-4652828.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Yes it is a bug and it's been fixed in a pull request, but I think we should fix the module as well. On 16 July 2013 11:22, Nic Carter wrote: > > Wouldn't this be classified as a bug in JSword? > > However, I do agree that it would be nice to update the description of the > KJVA to indicate the difference between it and the KJV module, but are > there good arguments for the descriptions to be the same? > > But, again, I'd be tempted to classify this as a bug in JSword, as SWORD > is the spec that we work from? > > > just my 2 cents...... :) > > On 16/07/2013, at 6:00 PM, David Haslam wrote: > > > JSword based front-ends not only need to have a different module name and > > have their own path location, but the descriptions must be unique too! > > > > I already discussed this with DM Smith in regard to Bible Desktop. > > > > See http://crosswire.org/wiki/DevTools:conf_Files#Uniqueness > > > > So - yes - the KJVA Description ought to be different from the KJV. > > > > I have therefore added an issue in our tracker. > > > > http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MOD-250 > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/KJVA-tp4652823p4652828.html > > Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marjan.savli at gmail.com Tue Jul 16 03:46:21 2013 From: marjan.savli at gmail.com (Marjan Savli) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:46:21 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Using osis2mod crash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, after few days more I find simple solution for osis2mod crash (osis2mod.exe sword\modules\texts\ztext\kjva_sloeng\ kjv_slo_osis_sword.xml -v KJVA -z) I needed to create subdirectiories which I accidentally deleted days ago. So I included in my script these lines. ==== d: chdir d:\ mkdir \temp\sword\sword\modules\texts\ztext\kjva_sloeng mkdir \temp\sword\sword\modules\texts\ztext\kjva_slo ===== And question: Is this hard to implement into osis2mod.exe, that instead of crash report that directory is missing? ------------ Marjan ---------- tel: +386 (0)4 5121 377 -------------------------------------- 2013/7/12 Marjan Savli > Hello > > I tried to use osis2mod to convert a OSISBible format text to SWORD > modules, but I got error message: osis2mod.exe has encountered a problem > and needs to close. > I am using Windows XP SP3, osis2mod 2671. I tried also on Windows 7, but > it was the same. First I tried with different tried msvcr100.dll, but it > was the same. At last I decided, that this is probably my fault in .xml > file. > > But two month ago this conversion was done without any problems. But then > something happens. :-)) > > This is my .bat file: > > C:\Temp\sword>osis2mod.exe sword\modules\texts\ztext\kjva_sloeng\ > kjv_slo_osis_sword.xml -v KJVA -z > You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 2671 $ > > Here ( https://sites.google.com/site/marjansavli/ ) is my > - picture of crash osis2mod_crash.JPG (147k) > - osis XML file kjv_slo_osis_sword.zip (476k) > - working 2 sword modules from two months ago kjva_slo_sword.zip > (3629k) > > > I read also this thread > http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Using-osis2mod-td356887.html > And I made extract from my xml file and here are all my osisID tags > > osisID="1Cor > osisID="1Cor.c > osisID="1John > osisID="1Pet > osisID="1Thess > osisID="1Thess.c > osisID="1Tim > osisID="1Tim.c > osisID="2Cor > osisID="2Cor.c > osisID="2John > osisID="2Pet > osisID="2Pet > osisID="2Thess > osisID="2Thess.c > osisID="2Tim > osisID="2Tim.c > osisID="3John > osisID="Acts > osisID="Col > osisID="Col.c > osisID="Eph > osisID="Eph.c > osisID="Gal > osisID="Gal.c > osisID="Heb > osisID="Heb.c > osisID="Jas > osisID="John > osisID="Jude > osisID="Luke > osisID="Luke > osisID="Mark > osisID="Matt > osisID="Phil > osisID="Phil.c > osisID="Phlm > osisID="Phlm.c > osisID="Ps > osisID="Rev > osisID="Rev > osisID="Rom > osisID="Rom.c > osisID="Titus > osisID="Titus > osisID="Titus.c > > > If anyone can help me I would be thankful. > > ------------ Marjan ---------- > tel: +386 (0)4 5121 377 > -------------------------------------- > -------------- naslednji del -------------- HTML priponka je pre?i??ena... URL: From jaak at ristioja.ee Tue Jul 16 04:03:49 2013 From: jaak at ristioja.ee (Jaak Ristioja) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 14:03:49 +0300 Subject: [sword-devel] SWORD 1.7.0 final stretch In-Reply-To: <51E4BADC.3040404@crosswire.org> References: , <51DF0F7B.1070503@crosswire.org> <51E4BADC.3040404@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <51E52895.6060000@ristioja.ee> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 16.07.2013 06:15, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > OK, wrapping up final things for packaging up 1.7.0. > > Jaak, I've normalized ListKey for you, so you should have your > getCount const and added getElement const and non-const methods. > Other method names have been normalized with old names deprecated, > so this will almost certainly cause deprecation warning in > clients. Thanks, Troy! Btw, would it be possible in future versions Sword to declare a SWORD_VERSION macro alike QT_VERSION in Qt (see https://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.1/qtcore/qtglobal.html#QT_VERSION )? It would ease writing source code compatible with multiple versions of the Sword API without requiring changes to the build system. 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URL: From mark at foresightlinux.org Tue Jul 16 05:04:57 2013 From: mark at foresightlinux.org (Mark Trompell) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 14:04:57 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] SWORD 1.7.0 final stretch In-Reply-To: References: <51DF0F7B.1070503@crosswire.org> <51E4BADC.3040404@crosswire.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > > Von: "Troy A. Griffitts" > >> Does anyone have Ubuntu installed and can try building the swig bindings to confirm or deny they have the same problem as > Peter? This is using autotools. Simply compile and install sword, then cd to bindings/swig/package and follow the short > README. Thank for any testing. > > We know already that 12.04LTS has no problems. Greg confirmed this. I have problems on 12.10 and 13.04. > > But: > > One of the most recent changes must have introduced a new problem. Running a program using the Perl bindings causes following error messages. This was not present a few iterations ago. > > peter at peter-ThinkPad-Twist:~/Source/sword/bindings/swig/package/python$ ~/Source/sword-tools/modules/crossreferences/xreffix.pl > UTF8Transliterator: ICU: no resource index to load > UTF8Transliterator: ICU: status U_MISSING_RESOURCE_ERROR > > Afterwards the program runs. I have not yet been able to test if there are more serious problems. I'm seeing this for weeks, maybe longer (building with cmake, so maybe the issue is build related), so maybe it wasn't me breaking my icu install. Would one need to install the ressource files somewhere? or should they come with icu provided by my system? -- Mark Trompell Foresight Linux Xfce Edition Cause your desktop should be freaking cool (and Xfce) From chrislit at crosswire.org Tue Jul 16 05:13:21 2013 From: chrislit at crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 05:13:21 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] SWORD 1.7.0 final stretch In-Reply-To: References: <51DF0F7B.1070503@crosswire.org> <51E4BADC.3040404@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <51E538E1.3040306@crosswire.org> On 7/16/2013 5:04 AM, Mark Trompell wrote: > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: >> >> Von: "Troy A. Griffitts" >> >>> Does anyone have Ubuntu installed and can try building the swig bindings to confirm or deny they have the same problem as > Peter? This is using autotools. Simply compile and install sword, then cd to bindings/swig/package and follow the short > README. Thank for any testing. >> >> We know already that 12.04LTS has no problems. Greg confirmed this. I have problems on 12.10 and 13.04. >> >> But: >> >> One of the most recent changes must have introduced a new problem. Running a program using the Perl bindings causes following error messages. This was not present a few iterations ago. >> >> peter at peter-ThinkPad-Twist:~/Source/sword/bindings/swig/package/python$ ~/Source/sword-tools/modules/crossreferences/xreffix.pl >> UTF8Transliterator: ICU: no resource index to load >> UTF8Transliterator: ICU: status U_MISSING_RESOURCE_ERROR >> >> Afterwards the program runs. I have not yet been able to test if there are more serious problems. > > I'm seeing this for weeks, maybe longer (building with cmake, so maybe > the issue is build related), so maybe it wasn't me breaking my icu > install. > Would one need to install the ressource files somewhere? or should > they come with icu provided by my system? > You can install icu-sword from our SVN, hack the additional transliterators into stock ICU (which is more up to date), or ignore the error. --Chris From mark at foresightlinux.org Tue Jul 16 05:14:09 2013 From: mark at foresightlinux.org (Mark Trompell) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 14:14:09 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] SWORD 1.7.0 final stretch In-Reply-To: References: <51DF0F7B.1070503@crosswire.org> <51E4BADC.3040404@crosswire.org> Message-ID: I think it's one of these that bite us: """ r2831 | chrislit | 2013-06-23 06:21:14 +0200 (So, 23 Jun 2013) | 2 lines removed ICU stuff from CMake files to match autotools files ------------------------------------------------------------------------ r2830 | chrislit | 2013-06-23 03:22:45 +0200 (So, 23 Jun 2013) | 2 lines removed what I believe was the last bit of extraneous ICU stuff from the autotools build ------------------------------------------------------------------------ r2827 | chrislit | 2013-06-22 11:09:36 +0200 (Sa, 22 Jun 2013) | 2 lines These bundled ICU transliterators have been out of date and unsupported for about a decade """ On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > > Von: "Troy A. Griffitts" > >> Does anyone have Ubuntu installed and can try building the swig bindings to confirm or deny they have the same problem as > Peter? This is using autotools. Simply compile and install sword, then cd to bindings/swig/package and follow the short > README. Thank for any testing. > > We know already that 12.04LTS has no problems. Greg confirmed this. I have problems on 12.10 and 13.04. > > But: > > One of the most recent changes must have introduced a new problem. Running a program using the Perl bindings causes following error messages. This was not present a few iterations ago. > > peter at peter-ThinkPad-Twist:~/Source/sword/bindings/swig/package/python$ ~/Source/sword-tools/modules/crossreferences/xreffix.pl > UTF8Transliterator: ICU: no resource index to load > UTF8Transliterator: ICU: status U_MISSING_RESOURCE_ERROR > > Afterwards the program runs. I have not yet been able to test if there are more serious problems. > > Peter > > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -- Mark Trompell Foresight Linux Xfce Edition Cause your desktop should be freaking cool (and Xfce) From chrislit at crosswire.org Tue Jul 16 05:17:59 2013 From: chrislit at crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 05:17:59 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Strong numbers for Louis Segond In-Reply-To: <1373963830563-4652832.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1373962623232-4652829.post@n4.nabble.com> <1373963830563-4652832.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <51E539F7.4000502@crosswire.org> FreSegond is the current Louis Segond module. There are no errors in the .conf. Permission will not be given to distribute the previous content. STEP does not have permission to host & distribute it. --Chris On 7/16/2013 1:37 AM, David Haslam wrote: > Our policy is to withdraw any module for which there is uncertainty about the > copyright status of either the whole text or the added markup. > > i.e. On the precautionary principle. > > The proper procedure therefore would be for a request to be sent to > Timnathserah, Inc - Canada & Editions CLE - Villeurbanne - France. > > Yet the fact that we now include the DC books and use the text from > VulSearch does rather complicate matters. > > It would not be within CrossWire's remit to merge the Strongs/Morph markup > with the VulSearch text. > That would create a new source text, along with the responsibilities to > maintain it. > > The latter goes against our general policy for not being the > owner/maintainer of authentic source texts. > (the only exception being for the KJV module). > > David > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Strong-numbers-for-Louis-Segond-tp4652824p4652832.html > Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > From greg.hellings at gmail.com Tue Jul 16 05:19:12 2013 From: greg.hellings at gmail.com (Greg Hellings) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:19:12 -0500 Subject: [sword-devel] SWORD 1.7.0 final stretch In-Reply-To: References: <51DF0F7B.1070503@crosswire.org> <51E4BADC.3040404@crosswire.org>

Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:14 AM, Mark Trompell wrote: > I think it's one of these that bite us: > """ > r2831 | chrislit | 2013-06-23 06:21:14 +0200 (So, 23 Jun 2013) | 2 lines > > removed ICU stuff from CMake files to match autotools files > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > r2830 | chrislit | 2013-06-23 03:22:45 +0200 (So, 23 Jun 2013) | 2 lines > > removed what I believe was the last bit of extraneous ICU stuff from > the autotools build > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > r2827 | chrislit | 2013-06-22 11:09:36 +0200 (Sa, 22 Jun 2013) | 2 lines > > These bundled ICU transliterators have been out of date and > unsupported for about a decade > """ > > No, those warning messages have been around a LOT longer than those commits. I've never figured out exactly what they mean, so I've never had a chance to try and fix whatever might be wrong. --Greg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chrislit at crosswire.org Tue Jul 16 05:26:13 2013 From: chrislit at crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 05:26:13 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] SWORD 1.7.0 final stretch In-Reply-To: References: <51DF0F7B.1070503@crosswire.org> <51E4BADC.3040404@crosswire.org>

Message-ID: <51E53BE5.9090203@crosswire.org> On 7/16/2013 5:19 AM, Greg Hellings wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:14 AM, Mark Trompell > wrote: > > I think it's one of these that bite us: > """ > r2831 | chrislit | 2013-06-23 06:21:14 +0200 (So, 23 Jun 2013) | 2 lines > > removed ICU stuff from CMake files to match autotools files > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > r2830 | chrislit | 2013-06-23 03:22:45 +0200 (So, 23 Jun 2013) | 2 lines > > removed what I believe was the last bit of extraneous ICU stuff from > the autotools build > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > r2827 | chrislit | 2013-06-22 11:09:36 +0200 (Sa, 22 Jun 2013) | 2 lines > > These bundled ICU transliterators have been out of date and > unsupported for about a decade > """ > > > No, those warning messages have been around a LOT longer than those > commits. I've never figured out exactly what they mean, so I've never > had a chance to try and fix whatever might be wrong. > > --Greg You aren't thinking of the ulBuffNum errors, are you? It's quite possible that the U_MISSING_RESOURCE_ERROR errors have appeared for a while since the resources that used to be in /icu had not been updated in years and didn't include everything that the transliterator filter would have tried to load. --Chris From dmsmith at crosswire.org Tue Jul 16 05:30:39 2013 From: dmsmith at crosswire.org (DM Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:30:39 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] KJVA In-Reply-To: References: <1373961659246-4652828.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: It is a bug in JSword and a fix has been submitted. The description of the KJVA should change to prevent confusion to users. In Him, DM On Jul 16, 2013, at 6:22 AM, Nic Carter wrote: > > Wouldn't this be classified as a bug in JSword? > > However, I do agree that it would be nice to update the description of the KJVA to indicate the difference between it and the KJV module, but are there good arguments for the descriptions to be the same? > > But, again, I'd be tempted to classify this as a bug in JSword, as SWORD is the spec that we work from? > > > just my 2 cents...... :) > > On 16/07/2013, at 6:00 PM, David Haslam wrote: > >> JSword based front-ends not only need to have a different module name and >> have their own path location, but the descriptions must be unique too! >> >> I already discussed this with DM Smith in regard to Bible Desktop. >> >> See http://crosswire.org/wiki/DevTools:conf_Files#Uniqueness >> >> So - yes - the KJVA Description ought to be different from the KJV. >> >> I have therefore added an issue in our tracker. >> >> http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MOD-250 >> >> David >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/KJVA-tp4652823p4652828.html >> Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page From dmsmith at crosswire.org Tue Jul 16 05:32:14 2013 From: dmsmith at crosswire.org (DM Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:32:14 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Using osis2mod crash In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <6EA42406-8DB8-4DA7-9EA4-F15899A9D721@crosswire.org> Yes we should test directory existence. In Him, DM On Jul 16, 2013, at 6:46 AM, Marjan Savli wrote: > Hello, > > after few days more I find simple solution for osis2mod crash > (osis2mod.exe sword\modules\texts\ztext\kjva_sloeng\ kjv_slo_osis_sword.xml -v KJVA -z) > > I needed to create subdirectiories which I accidentally deleted days ago. So I included in my script these lines. > > ==== > d: > chdir d:\ > mkdir \temp\sword\sword\modules\texts\ztext\kjva_sloeng > mkdir \temp\sword\sword\modules\texts\ztext\kjva_slo > ===== > > And question: > Is this hard to implement into osis2mod.exe, that instead of crash report that directory is missing? > > > ------------ Marjan ---------- > tel: +386 (0)4 5121 377 > -------------------------------------- > > > 2013/7/12 Marjan Savli >> Hello >> >> I tried to use osis2mod to convert a OSISBible format text to SWORD modules, but I got error message: osis2mod.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close. >> I am using Windows XP SP3, osis2mod 2671. I tried also on Windows 7, but it was the same. First I tried with different tried msvcr100.dll, but it was the same. At last I decided, that this is probably my fault in .xml file. >> >> But two month ago this conversion was done without any problems. But then something happens. :-)) >> >> This is my .bat file: >> >> C:\Temp\sword>osis2mod.exe sword\modules\texts\ztext\kjva_sloeng\ kjv_slo_osis_sword.xml -v KJVA -z >> You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 2671 $ >> >> Here ( https://sites.google.com/site/marjansavli/ ) is my >> - picture of crash osis2mod_crash.JPG (147k) >> - osis XML file kjv_slo_osis_sword.zip (476k) >> - working 2 sword modules from two months ago kjva_slo_sword.zip (3629k) >> >> >> I read also this thread http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Using-osis2mod-td356887.html >> And I made extract from my xml file and here are all my osisID tags >> >> osisID="1Cor >> osisID="1Cor.c >> osisID="1John >> osisID="1Pet >> osisID="1Thess >> osisID="1Thess.c >> osisID="1Tim >> osisID="1Tim.c >> osisID="2Cor >> osisID="2Cor.c >> osisID="2John >> osisID="2Pet >> osisID="2Pet >> osisID="2Thess >> osisID="2Thess.c >> osisID="2Tim >> osisID="2Tim.c >> osisID="3John >> osisID="Acts >> osisID="Col >> osisID="Col.c >> osisID="Eph >> osisID="Eph.c >> osisID="Gal >> osisID="Gal.c >> osisID="Heb >> osisID="Heb.c >> osisID="Jas >> osisID="John >> osisID="Jude >> osisID="Luke >> osisID="Luke >> osisID="Mark >> osisID="Matt >> osisID="Phil >> osisID="Phil.c >> osisID="Phlm >> osisID="Phlm.c >> osisID="Ps >> osisID="Rev >> osisID="Rev >> osisID="Rom >> osisID="Rom.c >> osisID="Titus >> osisID="Titus >> osisID="Titus.c >> >> >> If anyone can help me I would be thankful. >> >> ------------ Marjan ---------- >> tel: +386 (0)4 5121 377 >> -------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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STEP does > not have permission to host & distribute it. > > --Chris > > > > On 7/16/2013 1:37 AM, David Haslam wrote: > >> Our policy is to withdraw any module for which there is uncertainty about >> the >> copyright status of either the whole text or the added markup. >> >> i.e. On the precautionary principle. >> >> The proper procedure therefore would be for a request to be sent to >> Timnathserah, Inc - Canada & Editions CLE - Villeurbanne - France. >> >> Yet the fact that we now include the DC books and use the text from >> VulSearch does rather complicate matters. >> >> It would not be within CrossWire's remit to merge the Strongs/Morph markup >> with the VulSearch text. >> That would create a new source text, along with the responsibilities to >> maintain it. >> >> The latter goes against our general policy for not being the >> owner/maintainer of authentic source texts. >> (the only exception being for the KJV module). >> >> David >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.** >> nabble.com/Strong-numbers-for-**Louis-Segond-**tp4652824p4652832.html >> Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/**mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >> >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/**mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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STEP >> does not have permission to host & distribute it. >> >> --Chris >> >> >> >> On 7/16/2013 1:37 AM, David Haslam wrote: >> >>> Our policy is to withdraw any module for which there is uncertainty >>> about the >>> copyright status of either the whole text or the added markup. >>> >>> i.e. On the precautionary principle. >>> >>> The proper procedure therefore would be for a request to be sent to >>> Timnathserah, Inc - Canada & Editions CLE - Villeurbanne - France. >>> >>> Yet the fact that we now include the DC books and use the text from >>> VulSearch does rather complicate matters. >>> >>> It would not be within CrossWire's remit to merge the Strongs/Morph >>> markup >>> with the VulSearch text. >>> That would create a new source text, along with the responsibilities to >>> maintain it. >>> >>> The latter goes against our general policy for not being the >>> owner/maintainer of authentic source texts. >>> (the only exception being for the KJV module). >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.** >>> nabble.com/Strong-numbers-for-**Louis-Segond-**tp4652824p4652832.html >>> Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >>> http://www.crosswire.org/**mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >>> >>> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/**mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dfhmch at googlemail.com Tue Jul 16 05:55:56 2013 From: dfhmch at googlemail.com (David Haslam) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 05:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sword-devel] Strong numbers for Louis Segond In-Reply-To: References: <1373962623232-4652829.post@n4.nabble.com> <1373963830563-4652832.post@n4.nabble.com> <51E539F7.4000502@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <1373979356137-4652849.post@n4.nabble.com> Chris, I think you have misunderstood what Chris Little meant by "previous content". That would have been the older module FreLSG that had ? Strongs markup. This was removed from our repos. It's an obsoleted module. STEP has no permission to distribute that old module. But the FreSegond modules in both Av11n and in Main are correctly designated as PD. The differences between these are as I observed earlier. These are the only Louis Segond modules that you could have installed yesterday. David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Strong-numbers-for-Louis-Segond-tp4652824p4652849.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From chrislit at crosswire.org Tue Jul 16 06:03:45 2013 From: chrislit at crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 06:03:45 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Strong numbers for Louis Segond In-Reply-To: References: <1373962623232-4652829.post@n4.nabble.com> <1373963830563-4652832.post@n4.nabble.com> <51E539F7.4000502@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <51E544B1.6020600@crosswire.org> It wasn't in the repository. At most, you could have found an old zip on the FTP site, unlinked, so you'd have had to have downloaded it directly by browsing the FTP site (or maybe had stale .conf data sitting around that could allow you to see cached zips of removed modules). I've cleared the .zip caches. --Chris On 7/16/2013 5:43 AM, Chris Burrell wrote: > Can you remove it from the repository please? I took it from there > yesterday? > > Chris > > > > On 16 July 2013 13:17, Chris Little > wrote: > > FreSegond is the current Louis Segond module. There are no errors in > the .conf. > > Permission will not be given to distribute the previous content. > STEP does not have permission to host & distribute it. > > --Chris > > > > On 7/16/2013 1:37 AM, David Haslam wrote: > > Our policy is to withdraw any module for which there is > uncertainty about the > copyright status of either the whole text or the added markup. > > i.e. On the precautionary principle. > > The proper procedure therefore would be for a request to be sent to > Timnathserah, Inc - Canada & Editions CLE - Villeurbanne - France. > > Yet the fact that we now include the DC books and use the text from > VulSearch does rather complicate matters. > > It would not be within CrossWire's remit to merge the > Strongs/Morph markup > with the VulSearch text. > That would create a new source text, along with the > responsibilities to > maintain it. > > The latter goes against our general policy for not being the > owner/maintainer of authentic source texts. > (the only exception being for the KJV module). > > David > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://sword-dev.350566.n4.__nabble.com/Strong-numbers-for-__Louis-Segond-__tp4652824p4652832.html > > Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _________________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > > http://www.crosswire.org/__mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > > > > _________________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > > http://www.crosswire.org/__mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > From chris at burrell.me.uk Tue Jul 16 06:30:05 2013 From: chris at burrell.me.uk (Chris Burrell) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 14:30:05 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Module versions and removals Message-ID: Hi In my long time on the lists, I can't recall seeing a notice for removal of a module when we thought we had rights and then suddenly we didn't. Just wanted to check that sword-devel would be notified of any such instances. Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmsmith at crosswire.org Tue Jul 16 07:01:42 2013 From: dmsmith at crosswire.org (DM Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 10:01:42 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Module versions and removals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We haven't done that in the past. Doubt it is a good idea. In Him, DM On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:30 AM, Chris Burrell wrote: > Hi > > In my long time on the lists, I can't recall seeing a notice for removal of a module when we thought we had rights and then suddenly we didn't. > > Just wanted to check that sword-devel would be notified of any such instances. > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page From chris at burrell.me.uk Tue Jul 16 11:24:38 2013 From: chris at burrell.me.uk (Chris Burrell) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:24:38 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Strong numbers for Louis Segond In-Reply-To: <51E544B1.6020600@crosswire.org> References: <1373962623232-4652829.post@n4.nabble.com> <1373963830563-4652832.post@n4.nabble.com> <51E539F7.4000502@crosswire.org> <51E544B1.6020600@crosswire.org> Message-ID: Hi Can someone point me in the direction of the person who created the FreLSG module? I can't seem to locate "Timnathserah, Inc - Canada & Editions CLE - Villeurbanne - France" anywhere in Canada or in France. I'd like to be able to contact "Timnathserah" to seek permission for STEP. Chris On 16 July 2013 14:03, Chris Little wrote: > It wasn't in the repository. At most, you could have found an old zip on > the FTP site, unlinked, so you'd have had to have downloaded it directly by > browsing the FTP site (or maybe had stale .conf data sitting around that > could allow you to see cached zips of removed modules). > > I've cleared the .zip caches. > > --Chris > > > > On 7/16/2013 5:43 AM, Chris Burrell wrote: > >> Can you remove it from the repository please? I took it from there >> yesterday? >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> On 16 July 2013 13:17, Chris Little > > wrote: >> >> FreSegond is the current Louis Segond module. There are no errors in >> the .conf. >> >> Permission will not be given to distribute the previous content. >> STEP does not have permission to host & distribute it. >> >> --Chris >> >> >> >> On 7/16/2013 1:37 AM, David Haslam wrote: >> >> Our policy is to withdraw any module for which there is >> uncertainty about the >> copyright status of either the whole text or the added markup. >> >> i.e. On the precautionary principle. >> >> The proper procedure therefore would be for a request to be sent >> to >> Timnathserah, Inc - Canada & Editions CLE - Villeurbanne - France. >> >> Yet the fact that we now include the DC books and use the text >> from >> VulSearch does rather complicate matters. >> >> It would not be within CrossWire's remit to merge the >> Strongs/Morph markup >> with the VulSearch text. >> That would create a new source text, along with the >> responsibilities to >> maintain it. >> >> The latter goes against our general policy for not being the >> owner/maintainer of authentic source texts. >> (the only exception being for the KJV module). >> >> David >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://sword-dev.350566.n4.__n**abble.com/Strong-numbers-for-_** >> _Louis-Segond-__**tp4652824p4652832.html >> >> > Louis-Segond-**tp4652824p4652832.html >> > >> Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> ______________________________**___________________ >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >> > >> http://www.crosswire.org/__**mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> >> >> > >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >> >> >> >> ______________________________**___________________ >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >> > >> http://www.crosswire.org/__**mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> >> >> > >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/**mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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, <51E53BE5.9090203@crosswire.org> Message-ID: Bindings on Ubuntu 13.04 - i386 server install, clean VM apart from needing ldconfig been run and that ICU error message, both Perl and Python bindings seem to work. Peter From dmsmith at crosswire.org Tue Jul 16 14:29:19 2013 From: dmsmith at crosswire.org (DM Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:29:19 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] swmodule::createModule usage bug (was Re: Using osis2mod crash) In-Reply-To: <6EA42406-8DB8-4DA7-9EA4-F15899A9D721@crosswire.org> References:

<6EA42406-8DB8-4DA7-9EA4-F15899A9D721@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <76CCCCDF-92BE-44FD-B38C-541343DAA204@crosswire.org> The problem with osis2mod is that createModule does not like a path that does not already exist. I was thinking that FileMgr should be used to test and create the directory if needed. I saw that there was an FileMgr::isDirectory(path) and that there was a FileMgr::createParent(path). The latter takes a path ending in / or \ and recursively will test and create the directory. I can add these to osis2mod, but it seems that the proper location is in the createModule methods. Is there a reason that we require the caller of osis2mod (and the other *2mod) to ensure that the directory exists? It appears that on Windows that osis2mod crashes if the directory does not exist. It at least should exit gracefully. In Him, DM On Jul 16, 2013, at 8:32 AM, DM Smith wrote: > Yes we should test directory existence. > > In Him, > DM > > On Jul 16, 2013, at 6:46 AM, Marjan Savli wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> after few days more I find simple solution for osis2mod crash >> (osis2mod.exe sword\modules\texts\ztext\kjva_sloeng\ kjv_slo_osis_sword.xml -v KJVA -z) >> >> I needed to create subdirectiories which I accidentally deleted days ago. So I included in my script these lines. >> >> ==== >> d: >> chdir d:\ >> mkdir \temp\sword\sword\modules\texts\ztext\kjva_sloeng >> mkdir \temp\sword\sword\modules\texts\ztext\kjva_slo >> ===== >> >> And question: >> Is this hard to implement into osis2mod.exe, that instead of crash report that directory is missing? >> >> >> ------------ Marjan ---------- >> tel: +386 (0)4 5121 377 >> -------------------------------------- >> >> >> 2013/7/12 Marjan Savli >> Hello >> >> I tried to use osis2mod to convert a OSISBible format text to SWORD modules, but I got error message: osis2mod.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close. >> I am using Windows XP SP3, osis2mod 2671. I tried also on Windows 7, but it was the same. First I tried with different tried msvcr100.dll, but it was the same. At last I decided, that this is probably my fault in .xml file. >> >> But two month ago this conversion was done without any problems. But then something happens. :-)) >> >> This is my .bat file: >> >> C:\Temp\sword>osis2mod.exe sword\modules\texts\ztext\kjva_sloeng\ kjv_slo_osis_sword.xml -v KJVA -z >> You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 2671 $ >> >> Here ( https://sites.google.com/site/marjansavli/ ) is my >> - picture of crash osis2mod_crash.JPG (147k) >> - osis XML file kjv_slo_osis_sword.zip (476k) >> - working 2 sword modules from two months ago kjva_slo_sword.zip (3629k) >> >> >> I read also this thread http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Using-osis2mod-td356887.html >> And I made extract from my xml file and here are all my osisID tags >> >> osisID="1Cor >> osisID="1Cor.c >> osisID="1John >> osisID="1Pet >> osisID="1Thess >> osisID="1Thess.c >> osisID="1Tim >> osisID="1Tim.c >> osisID="2Cor >> osisID="2Cor.c >> osisID="2John >> osisID="2Pet >> osisID="2Pet >> osisID="2Thess >> osisID="2Thess.c >> osisID="2Tim >> osisID="2Tim.c >> osisID="3John >> osisID="Acts >> osisID="Col >> osisID="Col.c >> osisID="Eph >> osisID="Eph.c >> osisID="Gal >> osisID="Gal.c >> osisID="Heb >> osisID="Heb.c >> osisID="Jas >> osisID="John >> osisID="Jude >> osisID="Luke >> osisID="Luke >> osisID="Mark >> osisID="Matt >> osisID="Phil >> osisID="Phil.c >> osisID="Phlm >> osisID="Phlm.c >> osisID="Ps >> osisID="Rev >> osisID="Rev >> osisID="Rom >> osisID="Rom.c >> osisID="Titus >> osisID="Titus >> osisID="Titus.c >> >> >> If anyone can help me I would be thankful. >> >> ------------ Marjan ---------- >> tel: +386 (0)4 5121 377 >> -------------------------------------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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See http://www.encompassworld.org/ David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Strong-numbers-for-Louis-Segond-tp4652824p4652856.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dfhmch at googlemail.com Tue Jul 16 23:59:51 2013 From: dfhmch at googlemail.com (David Haslam) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 23:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sword-devel] Strong numbers for Louis Segond In-Reply-To: References: <1373962623232-4652829.post@n4.nabble.com> <1373963830563-4652832.post@n4.nabble.com> <51E539F7.4000502@crosswire.org> <51E544B1.6020600@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <1374044391111-4652857.post@n4.nabble.com> PS. *Timnathserah, Inc* - Canada and *Editions Cl?* - France were two separate publishers! I imagine the latter moved its main office from Villeurbanne since the date of the original FreLSG module. It's conceivable that the former may no longer exist, or has been rebranded or taken over. Most likely location would have been in the French speaking province of Quebec. David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Strong-numbers-for-Louis-Segond-tp4652824p4652857.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dfhmch at googlemail.com Wed Jul 17 00:32:57 2013 From: dfhmch at googlemail.com (David Haslam) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 00:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sword-devel] swmodule::createModule usage bug (was Re: Using osis2mod crash) In-Reply-To: <76CCCCDF-92BE-44FD-B38C-541343DAA204@crosswire.org> References:

<6EA42406-8DB8-4DA7-9EA4-F15899A9D721@crosswire.org> <76CCCCDF-92BE-44FD-B38C-541343DAA204@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <1374046377120-4652858.post@n4.nabble.com> Whatever is implemented, please ensure that the directory existence is checked in Windows for (a) networked drives (b) substitute drives I've seen instances where poorly designed existence check methods only work for drive letters on the same drive or only on a local drive. Thorough testing is essential. David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Using-osis2mod-crash-tp4652800p4652858.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From chrislit at crosswire.org Wed Jul 17 02:14:38 2013 From: chrislit at crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 02:14:38 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Strong numbers for Louis Segond In-Reply-To: References: <1373962623232-4652829.post@n4.nabble.com> <1373963830563-4652832.post@n4.nabble.com> <51E539F7.4000502@crosswire.org> <51E544B1.6020600@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <51E6607E.2020200@crosswire.org> On 7/16/2013 11:24 AM, Chris Burrell wrote: > Hi > > Can someone point me in the direction of the person who created the > FreLSG module? I can't seem to locate "Timnathserah, Inc - Canada & > Editions CLE - Villeurbanne - France" anywhere in Canada or in France. > > I'd like to be able to contact "Timnathserah" to seek permission for STEP. > > Chris It's Online Bible. So, the first question I would pose is: What's your licensing budget? In any case, this discussion is not relevant to Sword or CrossWire and I would ask that you take it offline. --Chris From info at tetzels.de Wed Jul 17 05:16:48 2013 From: info at tetzels.de (Stephan) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:16:48 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Missing ZIP files (was: Strong numbers for Louis Segond) In-Reply-To: <51E544B1.6020600@crosswire.org> References: <1373962623232-4652829.post@n4.nabble.com> <1373963830563-4652832.post@n4.nabble.com> <51E539F7.4000502@crosswire.org> <51E544B1.6020600@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <51E68B30.6080206@tetzels.de> Hi, > I've cleared the .zip caches. Since yesterday there are no zipped modules in the rawzip directories of avpackages or avatticpackages or atticpackages. Only packages and betapackages have zipped modules in the rawzip folder. Is there another location to access this zipped modules via HTTP or will they come back again in these directories? Blessings, Stephan From greg.hellings at gmail.com Wed Jul 17 07:10:28 2013 From: greg.hellings at gmail.com (Greg Hellings) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 09:10:28 -0500 Subject: [sword-devel] UTF8Transliterator messages Message-ID: So I've been plagued in the CMake builds by this message: UTF8Transliterator: ICU: no resource index to load UTF8Transliterator: ICU: status U_MISSING_RESOURCE_ERROR Now it's expanding out to repeat itself four times when I run a utility like diatheke, and Peter has claimed he sees the message when running the Python bindings in Ubuntu when building with autotools. Is there anyone who knows what this might be referring to, and how I can squelch this? I just tried building and adding libicudata.so to the build process, but to no avail. I still get the same number of messages and warnings. I'm attaching my build output to see if anyone can see what is present/missing in CMake that the autotools seems to get right (I'm guessing it still lacks the above message?). 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All of the offending code should be disabled now. --Chris On 07/17/2013 07:10 AM, Greg Hellings wrote: > So I've been plagued in the CMake builds by this message: > UTF8Transliterator: ICU: no resource index to load > UTF8Transliterator: ICU: status U_MISSING_RESOURCE_ERROR > > Now it's expanding out to repeat itself four times when I run a utility > like diatheke, and Peter has claimed he sees the message when running > the Python bindings in Ubuntu when building with autotools. > > Is there anyone who knows what this might be referring to, and how I can > squelch this? I just tried building and adding libicudata.so to the > build process, but to no avail. I still get the same number of messages > and warnings. I'm attaching my build output to see if anyone can see > what is present/missing in CMake that the autotools seems to get right > (I'm guessing it still lacks the above message?). > > These warnings have been present throughout the history of the CMake > build, but I'd like to squash them if anyone can see what's going on. > I'm quite out of ideas at this point. :-/ > > --Greg > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > From niccarter at mac.com Wed Jul 17 21:03:14 2013 From: niccarter at mac.com (Nic Carter) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 14:03:14 +1000 Subject: [sword-devel] UTF8Transliterator messages In-Reply-To: <51E71ED2.3080401@crosswire.org> References: <51E71ED2.3080401@crosswire.org> Message-ID: Hi Chris, Can you please explain what you've done & what you are switching on/off with the new #defines? I build the lib a different way, so I'd like to see if I can incorporate your changes into my build system or to see if I still need my own custom way of switching off those error messages... :) (yes, I have been seeing those error messages since day 1 with PS, but I have my own hacks to remove them and would rather use your changes!) Thanks, ybic nic... :) On 18/07/2013, at 8:46 AM, Chris Little wrote: > Give the latest SVN a try. All of the offending code should be disabled now. > > --Chris > > On 07/17/2013 07:10 AM, Greg Hellings wrote: >> So I've been plagued in the CMake builds by this message: >> UTF8Transliterator: ICU: no resource index to load >> UTF8Transliterator: ICU: status U_MISSING_RESOURCE_ERROR >> >> Now it's expanding out to repeat itself four times when I run a utility >> like diatheke, and Peter has claimed he sees the message when running >> the Python bindings in Ubuntu when building with autotools. >> >> Is there anyone who knows what this might be referring to, and how I can >> squelch this? I just tried building and adding libicudata.so to the >> build process, but to no avail. I still get the same number of messages >> and warnings. I'm attaching my build output to see if anyone can see >> what is present/missing in CMake that the autotools seems to get right >> (I'm guessing it still lacks the above message?). >> >> These warnings have been present throughout the history of the CMake >> build, but I'd like to squash them if anyone can see what's going on. >> I'm quite out of ideas at this point. :-/ >> >> --Greg >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >> > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page From greg.hellings at gmail.com Wed Jul 17 21:19:13 2013 From: greg.hellings at gmail.com (Greg Hellings) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 23:19:13 -0500 Subject: [sword-devel] UTF8Transliterator messages In-Reply-To: <51E71ED2.3080401@crosswire.org> References: <51E71ED2.3080401@crosswire.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Chris Little wrote: > Give the latest SVN a try. All of the offending code should be disabled > now. > That has eliminated them from my local build. Thanks! --Greg > > --Chris > > > On 07/17/2013 07:10 AM, Greg Hellings wrote: > >> So I've been plagued in the CMake builds by this message: >> UTF8Transliterator: ICU: no resource index to load >> UTF8Transliterator: ICU: status U_MISSING_RESOURCE_ERROR >> >> Now it's expanding out to repeat itself four times when I run a utility >> like diatheke, and Peter has claimed he sees the message when running >> the Python bindings in Ubuntu when building with autotools. >> >> Is there anyone who knows what this might be referring to, and how I can >> squelch this? I just tried building and adding libicudata.so to the >> build process, but to no avail. I still get the same number of messages >> and warnings. 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Daniel Glassey added the ability to load & build transliterators that were not part of the ICU resource bundle in 2003, allowing use of stock ICU that is included with most distros along with our additional transliterators. But it hasn't been maintained or updated since 2003, and only worked on systems building with autotools. So that is all now removed (both the out of date copies of transliterators and the code for loading them). You'll saw the missing resource errors if your system doesn't have our additional transliterators when Daniel's code tries to load them. The defines I added are just there to deactivate most of Daniel's code. If it someday makes sense to load transliterators directly, we can reactivate it in 1.8.x or so. Before that, I'll pursue getting our transliterators incorporated into CLDR (and thus stock ICU). We would only need to reactivate this code if our data were rejected by Unicode. tl;dr: Just don't define ICU_CUSTOM_RESOURCE_BUILDING and the code for UTF8Transliterator should now avoid all of the parts that were emitting error messages. --Chris On 7/17/2013 9:03 PM, Nic Carter wrote: > > Hi Chris, > > Can you please explain what you've done & what you are switching on/off with the new #defines? I build the lib a different way, so I'd like to see if I can incorporate your changes into my build system or to see if I still need my own custom way of switching off those error messages... :) > (yes, I have been seeing those error messages since day 1 with PS, but I have my own hacks to remove them and would rather use your changes!) > > Thanks, ybic > nic... :) > > On 18/07/2013, at 8:46 AM, Chris Little wrote: > >> Give the latest SVN a try. All of the offending code should be disabled now. >> >> --Chris >> >> On 07/17/2013 07:10 AM, Greg Hellings wrote: >>> So I've been plagued in the CMake builds by this message: >>> UTF8Transliterator: ICU: no resource index to load >>> UTF8Transliterator: ICU: status U_MISSING_RESOURCE_ERROR >>> >>> Now it's expanding out to repeat itself four times when I run a utility >>> like diatheke, and Peter has claimed he sees the message when running >>> the Python bindings in Ubuntu when building with autotools. >>> >>> Is there anyone who knows what this might be referring to, and how I can >>> squelch this? I just tried building and adding libicudata.so to the >>> build process, but to no avail. I still get the same number of messages >>> and warnings. I'm attaching my build output to see if anyone can see >>> what is present/missing in CMake that the autotools seems to get right >>> (I'm guessing it still lacks the above message?). >>> >>> These warnings have been present throughout the history of the CMake >>> build, but I'd like to squash them if anyone can see what's going on. >>> I'm quite out of ideas at this point. :-/ >>> >>> --Greg >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > From chris at burrell.me.uk Thu Jul 18 14:40:20 2013 From: chris at burrell.me.uk (Chris Burrell) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 22:40:20 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] SBLGNT conf file inconsistency? Message-ID: Hi Just wanted to highlight there are 2 lines in the conf file for the SBLGNT module: ftp://ftp.crosswire.org/pub/sword/raw/mods.d/sblgnt.conf DistributionLicense=Copyrighted; Permission to distribute granted to CrossWire DistributionLicense=Copyrighted; Free non-commercial distribution Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chrislit at crosswire.org Thu Jul 18 23:08:46 2013 From: chrislit at crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 23:08:46 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] SBLGNT conf file inconsistency? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51E8D7EE.9000906@crosswire.org> On 7/18/2013 2:40 PM, Chris Burrell wrote: > Hi > > Just wanted to highlight there are 2 lines in the conf file for the > SBLGNT module: ftp://ftp.crosswire.org/pub/sword/raw/mods.d/sblgnt.conf > > DistributionLicense=Copyrighted; Permission to distribute granted to CrossWire > > DistributionLicense=Copyrighted; Free non-commercial distribution > > > Chris Thanks for catching that. They're both technically correct (we received permission directly and non-commercial distribution is fairly free), though both are not precisely accurate. For our purposes, the latter is how we'll list the rights. A .conf update will roll out tonight. --Chris From niccarter at mac.com Fri Jul 19 19:27:44 2013 From: niccarter at mac.com (Nic Carter) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 12:27:44 +1000 Subject: [sword-devel] UTF8Transliterator messages In-Reply-To: <51E7A904.20902@crosswire.org> References: <51E71ED2.3080401@crosswire.org> <51E7A904.20902@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <05C678B7-066C-4611-B740-26730DD63ABF@mac.com> Awesome, thanks for the heads up. Those should be useful changes for PS. :) On 18/07/2013, at 6:36 PM, Chris Little wrote: > Some history: > The ICU transliteration filter from 2002 could transliterate to/from a bunch of scripts beyond what stock ICU could do. Daniel Glassey added the ability to load & build transliterators that were not part of the ICU resource bundle in 2003, allowing use of stock ICU that is included with most distros along with our additional transliterators. But it hasn't been maintained or updated since 2003, and only worked on systems building with autotools. So that is all now removed (both the out of date copies of transliterators and the code for loading them). > > You'll saw the missing resource errors if your system doesn't have our additional transliterators when Daniel's code tries to load them. > > The defines I added are just there to deactivate most of Daniel's code. If it someday makes sense to load transliterators directly, we can reactivate it in 1.8.x or so. Before that, I'll pursue getting our transliterators incorporated into CLDR (and thus stock ICU). We would only need to reactivate this code if our data were rejected by Unicode. > > tl;dr: Just don't define ICU_CUSTOM_RESOURCE_BUILDING and the code for UTF8Transliterator should now avoid all of the parts that were emitting error messages. > > --Chris > > > On 7/17/2013 9:03 PM, Nic Carter wrote: >> >> Hi Chris, >> >> Can you please explain what you've done & what you are switching on/off with the new #defines? I build the lib a different way, so I'd like to see if I can incorporate your changes into my build system or to see if I still need my own custom way of switching off those error messages... :) >> (yes, I have been seeing those error messages since day 1 with PS, but I have my own hacks to remove them and would rather use your changes!) >> >> Thanks, ybic >> nic... :) >> >> On 18/07/2013, at 8:46 AM, Chris Little wrote: >> >>> Give the latest SVN a try. All of the offending code should be disabled now. >>> >>> --Chris >>> >>> On 07/17/2013 07:10 AM, Greg Hellings wrote: >>>> So I've been plagued in the CMake builds by this message: >>>> UTF8Transliterator: ICU: no resource index to load >>>> UTF8Transliterator: ICU: status U_MISSING_RESOURCE_ERROR >>>> >>>> Now it's expanding out to repeat itself four times when I run a utility >>>> like diatheke, and Peter has claimed he sees the message when running >>>> the Python bindings in Ubuntu when building with autotools. >>>> >>>> Is there anyone who knows what this might be referring to, and how I can >>>> squelch this? I just tried building and adding libicudata.so to the >>>> build process, but to no avail. I still get the same number of messages >>>> and warnings. I'm attaching my build output to see if anyone can see >>>> what is present/missing in CMake that the autotools seems to get right >>>> (I'm guessing it still lacks the above message?). >>>> >>>> These warnings have been present throughout the history of the CMake >>>> build, but I'd like to squash them if anyone can see what's going on. >>>> I'm quite out of ideas at this point. :-/ >>>> >>>> --Greg >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >> > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page From chrislit at crosswire.org Fri Jul 19 22:08:32 2013 From: chrislit at crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 22:08:32 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Missing ZIP files In-Reply-To: <51E68B30.6080206@tetzels.de> References: <1373962623232-4652829.post@n4.nabble.com> <1373963830563-4652832.post@n4.nabble.com> <51E539F7.4000502@crosswire.org> <51E544B1.6020600@crosswire.org> <51E68B30.6080206@tetzels.de> Message-ID: <51EA1B50.4040509@crosswire.org> On 7/17/2013 5:16 AM, Stephan wrote: > Hi, > >> I've cleared the .zip caches. > > Since yesterday there are no zipped modules in the rawzip directories of > avpackages or avatticpackages or atticpackages. Only packages and > betapackages have zipped modules in the rawzip folder. > > Is there another location to access this zipped modules via HTTP or will > they come back again in these directories? > > Blessings, > Stephan I believe only the main, beta, & experimental repositories are accessible through web download, so only modules from those repositories will ever get ZIPs from the packaging script. I'm not sure how they were created so that they were there before I deleted them. The existence of ZIPs is never guaranteed. There is also no guarantee that they are current, if they exist. The only guarantees we attempt to make are that the module files themselves are present for Install Managers and that up-to-date ZIPs will be served from the above 3 repositories when they are downloaded from the CrossWire website. --Chris From mjdenham at gmail.com Sat Jul 20 07:14:17 2013 From: mjdenham at gmail.com (Martin Denham) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 15:14:17 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Missing ZIP files In-Reply-To: <51EA1B50.4040509@crosswire.org> References: <1373962623232-4652829.post@n4.nabble.com> <1373963830563-4652832.post@n4.nabble.com> <51E539F7.4000502@crosswire.org> <51E544B1.6020600@crosswire.org> <51E68B30.6080206@tetzels.de> <51EA1B50.4040509@crosswire.org> Message-ID: They should be there again now. And Bible depends on the av repository. See this thread for more info: http://svn.crosswire.org/pipermail/jsword-devel/2013-April/004639.html It is a real shame the av zips are not created automatically. Cheers Martin On 20 July 2013 06:08, Chris Little wrote: > On 7/17/2013 5:16 AM, Stephan wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I've cleared the .zip caches. >>> >> >> Since yesterday there are no zipped modules in the rawzip directories of >> avpackages or avatticpackages or atticpackages. Only packages and >> betapackages have zipped modules in the rawzip folder. >> >> Is there another location to access this zipped modules via HTTP or will >> they come back again in these directories? >> >> Blessings, >> Stephan >> > > I believe only the main, beta, & experimental repositories are accessible > through web download, so only modules from those repositories will ever get > ZIPs from the packaging script. I'm not sure how they were created so that > they were there before I deleted them. > > The existence of ZIPs is never guaranteed. There is also no guarantee that > they are current, if they exist. The only guarantees we attempt to make are > that the module files themselves are present for Install Managers and that > up-to-date ZIPs will be served from the above 3 repositories when they are > downloaded from the CrossWire website. > > --Chris > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/**mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From refdoc at gmx.net Sat Jul 20 08:17:28 2013 From: refdoc at gmx.net (=?utf-8?B?cmVmZG9jQGdteC5uZXQ=?=) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 16:17:28 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] =?utf-8?q?Missing_ZIP_files?= Message-ID: <0Lj1Cw-1UPZSs0iK6-00dEHs@mail.gmx.com> None of the zips are created automatically, all are created only on demand Sent from my HTC ----- Reply message ----- From: "Martin Denham" To: "SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum" Subject: [sword-devel] Missing ZIP files Date: Sat, Jul 20, 2013 15:14 They should be there again now. ?And Bible depends on the av repository. See this thread for more info:?http://svn.crosswire.org/pipermail/jsword-devel/2013-April/004639.html It is a real shame the av zips are not created automatically. CheersMartin On 20 July 2013 06:08, Chris Little wrote: On 7/17/2013 5:16 AM, Stephan wrote: Hi, I've cleared the .zip caches. Since yesterday there are no zipped modules in the rawzip directories of avpackages or avatticpackages or atticpackages. Only packages and betapackages have zipped modules in the rawzip folder. Is there another location to access this zipped modules via HTTP or will they come back again in these directories? Blessings, Stephan I believe only the main, beta, & experimental repositories are accessible through web download, so only modules from those repositories will ever get ZIPs from the packaging script. I'm not sure how they were created so that they were there before I deleted them. The existence of ZIPs is never guaranteed. There is also no guarantee that they are current, if they exist. The only guarantees we attempt to make are that the module files themselves are present for Install Managers and that up-to-date ZIPs will be served from the above 3 repositories when they are downloaded from the CrossWire website. --Chris _______________________________________________ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chrislit at crosswire.org Sat Jul 20 14:42:40 2013 From: chrislit at crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 14:42:40 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Missing ZIP files In-Reply-To: References: <1373962623232-4652829.post@n4.nabble.com> <1373963830563-4652832.post@n4.nabble.com> <51E539F7.4000502@crosswire.org> <51E544B1.6020600@crosswire.org> <51E68B30.6080206@tetzels.de> <51EA1B50.4040509@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <51EB0450.5010409@crosswire.org> On 07/20/2013 07:14 AM, Martin Denham wrote: > They should be there again now. And Bible depends on the av repository. > > See this thread for more info: > http://svn.crosswire.org/pipermail/jsword-devel/2013-April/004639.html > > It is a real shame the av zips are not created automatically. Or... It's a real shame that JSword doesn't use the repositories correctly, according to their intended usage. Or... It's a real shame you don't write a cron job that can update the ZIPs nightly, if necessary. (Maybe Karl can help you, if he has a script to update ZIPs in his repository.) The latter is probably more useful at this point and more urgent since I am going to write a cron job to delete the ZIPs on occasion. --Chris From dmsmith at crosswire.org Sat Jul 20 15:05:54 2013 From: dmsmith at crosswire.org (DM Smith) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 18:05:54 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Missing ZIP files In-Reply-To: <51EB0450.5010409@crosswire.org> References: <1373962623232-4652829.post@n4.nabble.com> <1373963830563-4652832.post@n4.nabble.com> <51E539F7.4000502@crosswire.org> <51E544B1.6020600@crosswire.org> <51E68B30.6080206@tetzels.de> <51EA1B50.4040509@crosswire.org> <51EB0450.5010409@crosswire.org> Message-ID: On Jul 20, 2013, at 5:42 PM, Chris Little wrote: > On 07/20/2013 07:14 AM, Martin Denham wrote: >> They should be there again now. And Bible depends on the av repository. >> >> See this thread for more info: >> http://svn.crosswire.org/pipermail/jsword-devel/2013-April/004639.html >> >> It is a real shame the av zips are not created automatically. > > > Or... > It's a real shame that JSword doesn't use the repositories correctly, according to their intended usage. Yes it is a shame. I'm almost done w the code to use the expanded repository via ftp. This will be with the release after next. > Or... > It's a real shame you don't write a cron job that can update the ZIPs nightly, if necessary. (Maybe Karl can help you, if he has a script to update ZIPs in his repository.) Can anyone point me to the code that does the zipping? While coding it up is trivial, there's no point to re-inventing the wheel. Just port the code to a loop. > > The latter is probably more useful at this point and more urgent since I am going to write a cron job to delete the ZIPs on occasion. Please don't do this until we have had a chance to write the script. What would the purpose of doing the mass deletes? Currently JSword uses the file time to determine whether the module has changed. Since our frontends do not advertise updated modules, this is no big deal. We've got the mechanism written to use the conf version field, but it is not in the frontends yet. If the purpose is to ensure that old stuff is appropriately deleted, then a script comparing module conf to zips deleting those that don't match would be better. This is even simpler to write than the zipper program. This could be added to the zipper program. BTW, Troy's position has been that it is OK to go to the zip cache first and failing that get the module by parts. But that there should be no requirement of a frontend to have the zips. Many have noted that getting the zip is faster and more reliable than getting by parts. But please tell us when you put the cache clearing cron job into place. In Him, DM > > --Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 4145 bytes Desc: not available URL: From karl at kleinpaste.org Sat Jul 20 17:29:26 2013 From: karl at kleinpaste.org (Karl Kleinpaste) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 20:29:26 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Missing ZIP files In-Reply-To: (DM Smith's message of "Sat, 20 Jul 2013 18:05:54 -0400") References: <1373962623232-4652829.post@n4.nabble.com> <1373963830563-4652832.post@n4.nabble.com> <51E539F7.4000502@crosswire.org> <51E544B1.6020600@crosswire.org> <51E68B30.6080206@tetzels.de> <51EA1B50.4040509@crosswire.org> <51EB0450.5010409@crosswire.org> Message-ID: DM Smith writes: > Can anyone point me to the code that does the zipping? I use this script for updating modules in my local repos (and then later rsync files to Xiphos repo when appropriate). It includes automatic update of version stamps and setting InstallSize and creating *.zip. Embellish to taste. As is, it is invoked with the name of the *.conf, without ".conf" itself. #!/bin/sh for mod ; do echo ================ "$mod" ================ # for dir in /var/ftp/prv/hci /var/ftp/pub/sword ; do if [ ! -r "$dir"/mods.d/"$mod".conf ] ; then continue fi echo $dir cd $dir # # new date strings in .conf. # data="`grep DataPath mods.d/\"$mod\".conf | \ sed -e 's;DataPath=./;;' -e 's;[a-z]\+$;;'`" files="`find \"$data\" -type f | sort`" vdate="`date +%y%m%d`" svdate="`date +%Y-%m-%d`" installsize="`( echo 0 ; ls -l $files | awk '{ print $5"+" }' ; echo p ) | dc`" sed -i \ -e "s/^$Version=[0-9]$\.[^-]*$/\1.$vdate/" \ -e "s/^$Version=.\+$-.*$/\1-$vdate/" \ -e "s/^SwordVersionDate=.*$/SwordVersionDate=$svdate/" \ -e "s/^InstallSize=.*$/InstallSize=$installsize/" \ mods.d/"$mod".conf # # make new .conf summary. # rm -f mods.d.tar.gz tar czvf mods.d.tar.gz mods.d/*.conf # # gen up fresh zip. # rm -f zip/"$mod".zip zip zip/"$mod".zip mods.d/"$mod".conf $files done done # exit 0 From chrislit at crosswire.org Sat Jul 20 19:12:30 2013 From: chrislit at crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 19:12:30 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Missing ZIP files In-Reply-To: References: <1373962623232-4652829.post@n4.nabble.com> <1373963830563-4652832.post@n4.nabble.com> <51E539F7.4000502@crosswire.org> <51E544B1.6020600@crosswire.org> <51E68B30.6080206@tetzels.de> <51EA1B50.4040509@crosswire.org> <51EB0450.5010409@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <51EB438E.9060806@crosswire.org> On 07/20/2013 03:05 PM, DM Smith wrote: > > On Jul 20, 2013, at 5:42 PM, Chris Little wrote: > >> On 07/20/2013 07:14 AM, Martin Denham wrote: >>> They should be there again now. And Bible depends on the av repository. >>> >>> See this thread for more info: >>> http://svn.crosswire.org/pipermail/jsword-devel/2013-April/004639.html >>> >>> It is a real shame the av zips are not created automatically. >> >> >> Or... >> It's a real shame that JSword doesn't use the repositories correctly, according to their intended usage. > > Yes it is a shame. I'm almost done w the code to use the expanded repository via ftp. This will be with the release after next. Awesome. >> Or... >> It's a real shame you don't write a cron job that can update the ZIPs nightly, if necessary. (Maybe Karl can help you, if he has a script to update ZIPs in his repository.) > > Can anyone point me to the code that does the zipping? While coding it up is trivial, there's no point to re-inventing the wheel. Just port the code to a loop. >> >> The latter is probably more useful at this point and more urgent since I am going to write a cron job to delete the ZIPs on occasion. > > Please don't do this until we have had a chance to write the script. Yeah, it's not urgent. It can wait a while. And I only intend to have it run once a week or so. > What would the purpose of doing the mass deletes? Currently JSword uses the file time to determine whether the module has changed. Since our frontends do not advertise updated modules, this is no big deal. We've got the mechanism written to use the conf version field, but it is not in the frontends yet. There are a couple of reasons to clear out the cache on occasion. The web download applet will generate ZIPs for updates and new modules, but don't remove pulled modules (and sometimes I forget to do it manually). We also get people who think they're really smart and start feeding the download applet things like NIV and NKJV. And the applet will happily package those for them (except that they are empty of content). So it's nice to clear out those sorts of files from the server. > If the purpose is to ensure that old stuff is appropriately deleted, then a script comparing module conf to zips deleting those that don't match would be better. This is even simpler to write than the zipper program. This could be added to the zipper program. Sure, there are other ways of handling the issues. > BTW, Troy's position has been that it is OK to go to the zip cache first and failing that get the module by parts. But that there should be no requirement of a frontend to have the zips. Many have noted that getting the zip is faster and more reliable than getting by parts. At present, I believe that is a bad position. Shortly after updates, ZIPs and the module parts can get out of sync so that, e.g., you think you're downloading version 2.0 of a module, but you're actually downloading 1.0 since that's what the ZIP is because no one has downloaded through the applet, causing the ZIP to update. And no amount to trying to update from the ZIP is going to update to 2.0 until someone else hits the download applet. A cron job running an update script would at least mean that both the mods.d.tar.gz and ZIPs get updated at approximately the same time. --Chris From scribe at crosswire.org Sun Jul 21 02:00:15 2013 From: scribe at crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 11:00:15 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Missing ZIP files In-Reply-To: <51EB438E.9060806@crosswire.org> References: <1373962623232-4652829.post@n4.nabble.com> <1373963830563-4652832.post@n4.nabble.com> <51E539F7.4000502@crosswire.org> <51E544B1.6020600@crosswire.org> <51E68B30.6080206@tetzels.de> <51EA1B50.4040509@crosswire.org> <51EB0450.5010409@crosswire.org> <51EB438E.9060806@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <24b64356-6c13-4108-9b15-e3df12b41ebe@email.android.com> A few quick comments. If you're using http to grab the zips, we already have an http URL which will be sure to give you the latest zip-- the packager. If I implement the cache mechanism in the engine, I will use the same logic as what is in the packager to determine if any found zip is current. The code for the packager is in the crosswire-java svn repo. You should be able to find the servlet with a grep. Old sucky code I'm not proud of but works. Chris Little wrote: >On 07/20/2013 03:05 PM, DM Smith wrote: >> >> On Jul 20, 2013, at 5:42 PM, Chris Little >wrote: >> >>> On 07/20/2013 07:14 AM, Martin Denham wrote: >>>> They should be there again now. And Bible depends on the av >repository. >>>> >>>> See this thread for more info: >>>> >http://svn.crosswire.org/pipermail/jsword-devel/2013-April/004639.html >>>> >>>> It is a real shame the av zips are not created automatically. >>> >>> >>> Or... >>> It's a real shame that JSword doesn't use the repositories >correctly, according to their intended usage. >> >> Yes it is a shame. I'm almost done w the code to use the expanded >repository via ftp. This will be with the release after next. > >Awesome. > >>> Or... >>> It's a real shame you don't write a cron job that can update the >ZIPs nightly, if necessary. (Maybe Karl can help you, if he has a >script to update ZIPs in his repository.) >> >> Can anyone point me to the code that does the zipping? While coding >it up is trivial, there's no point to re-inventing the wheel. Just port >the code to a loop. >>> >>> The latter is probably more useful at this point and more urgent >since I am going to write a cron job to delete the ZIPs on occasion. >> >> Please don't do this until we have had a chance to write the script. > >Yeah, it's not urgent. It can wait a while. And I only intend to have >it >run once a week or so. > >> What would the purpose of doing the mass deletes? Currently JSword >uses the file time to determine whether the module has changed. Since >our frontends do not advertise updated modules, this is no big deal. >We've got the mechanism written to use the conf version field, but it >is not in the frontends yet. > >There are a couple of reasons to clear out the cache on occasion. The >web download applet will generate ZIPs for updates and new modules, but > >don't remove pulled modules (and sometimes I forget to do it manually). > >We also get people who think they're really smart and start feeding the > >download applet things like NIV and NKJV. And the applet will happily >package those for them (except that they are empty of content). So it's > >nice to clear out those sorts of files from the server. > >> If the purpose is to ensure that old stuff is appropriately deleted, >then a script comparing module conf to zips deleting those that don't >match would be better. This is even simpler to write than the zipper >program. This could be added to the zipper program. > >Sure, there are other ways of handling the issues. > >> BTW, Troy's position has been that it is OK to go to the zip cache >first and failing that get the module by parts. But that there should >be no requirement of a frontend to have the zips. Many have noted that >getting the zip is faster and more reliable than getting by parts. > >At present, I believe that is a bad position. Shortly after updates, >ZIPs and the module parts can get out of sync so that, e.g., you think >you're downloading version 2.0 of a module, but you're actually >downloading 1.0 since that's what the ZIP is because no one has >downloaded through the applet, causing the ZIP to update. And no amount > >to trying to update from the ZIP is going to update to 2.0 until >someone >else hits the download applet. > >A cron job running an update script would at least mean that both the >mods.d.tar.gz and ZIPs get updated at approximately the same time. > >--Chris > > > >_______________________________________________ >sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. 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From trampster at gmail.com Tue Jul 23 01:57:50 2013 From: trampster at gmail.com (Daniel Hughes) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 20:57:50 +1200 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities In-Reply-To: <1374567822677-4652879.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1374567822677-4652879.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Which other open source project would allow issues to be neglected for more than 18 months? Lots actually, In my experience most bugs I have raised against opensource projects have never been fixed. The exception to this is bugs I have raised against my own opensource projects. Opensource developers tend to fix bugs which impact them and ignore bugs which don't. On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 8:23 PM, David Haslam wrote: > Greg, > > Is anyone actually looking at the software issues for SWORD utilities? > > This one is still open, even though it was created on 2012-01-09. > > http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MODTOOLS-31 > > It's quite disheartening to see so little response after reporting a > software issue. > > CrossWire does not have a good track record as regards responsiveness. > Which other open source project would allow issues to be neglected for more > than 18 months? > > David > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Windows-Utilities-tp4652865p4652879.html > Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page From refdoc at gmx.net Tue Jul 23 02:46:10 2013 From: refdoc at gmx.net (Peter von Kaehne) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 11:46:10 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities In-Reply-To: <1374567822677-4652879.post@n4.nabble.com> References: , <1374567822677-4652879.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: > This one is still open, even though it was created on 2012-01-09. > > http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MODTOOLS-31 I would consider this expected behaviour at that level, not a bug. These are linked verses and so each verse pointer will point at the same text. At the level of a frontend I would want it to be dealt with. At the level of a utility, I want to see it expressedly. Diatheke is of course somewhere between the two. Peter From dfhmch at googlemail.com Tue Jul 23 04:09:55 2013 From: dfhmch at googlemail.com (David Haslam) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 04:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities In-Reply-To: References: <1374567822677-4652879.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1374577795094-4652882.post@n4.nabble.com> Thanks Daniel, *begin rant* Why do they have issues trackers if they only respond to issues "that affect them"? This is one of the worst aspects of many open source projects! The programmers don't take users seriously enough. Or they expect users who bother to report problems to be programmers who can fix the bugs themselves and save them the bother. And some programmers suffer from what can only be described as the NIH syndrome. ("Not Invented Here") It's just not good enough! *end rant* David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Windows-Utilities-tp4652865p4652882.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dfhmch at googlemail.com Tue Jul 23 04:16:00 2013 From: dfhmch at googlemail.com (David Haslam) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 04:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities In-Reply-To: References: <1374567822677-4652879.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1374578160148-4652883.post@n4.nabble.com> Thanks Peter, If that's how you see this particular issue, then why was there never any such response along those lines from ANYONE in the SWORD development team? btw. I don't fully agree with you as regards the details for http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MODTOOLS-31 These utilities should give the required output when single verses are requested, but should be "intelligent" enough to avoid duplications when a passage is to be processed that includes the verse range (or part of one). David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Windows-Utilities-tp4652865p4652883.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From niccarter at mac.com Tue Jul 23 04:21:38 2013 From: niccarter at mac.com (Nic Carter) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:21:38 +1000 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities In-Reply-To: <1374577795094-4652882.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1374567822677-4652879.post@n4.nabble.com> <1374577795094-4652882.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Insert comment here about lack of time and everyone being a volunteer and life going on and bigger fish to fry and ... Mmmmm, fried fish! Oh, I meant, and distractions all over the place... ;) Sent from my phone, hence this email may be short... On 23/07/2013, at 21:09, David Haslam wrote: > Thanks Daniel, > > *begin rant* > > Why do they have issues trackers if they only respond to issues "that affect > them"? > > This is one of the worst aspects of many open source projects! > > The programmers don't take users seriously enough. > > Or they expect users who bother to report problems to be programmers who can > fix the bugs themselves and save them the bother. > > And some programmers suffer from what can only be described as the NIH > syndrome. ("Not Invented Here") > > It's just not good enough! > > *end rant* > > David > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Windows-Utilities-tp4652865p4652882.html > Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page From chrislit at crosswire.org Tue Jul 23 05:00:35 2013 From: chrislit at crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 05:00:35 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities In-Reply-To: <1374567822677-4652879.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1374567822677-4652879.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <51EE7063.6020508@crosswire.org> On 7/23/2013 1:23 AM, David Haslam wrote: > Greg, Aside from a mod2osis patch he submitted once upon a time, I don't think Greg has done any work on the utilities, so I'm unclear why you're asking him. > Is anyone actually looking at the software issues for SWORD utilities? Yes, but everyone is more interested in their own issues. If you can't code, then you are a second-class citizen here. Developers are more likely to submit patches that could fix the bugs they report. Developers are more likely to submit actual bugs that don't need to be confirmed, whereas non-developers have a high incidence of just not knowing what they're talking about. And developers are more likely to give good bug descriptions: high in signal, low in noise, and accurately describing where the problem might be. > This one is still open, even though it was created on 2012-01-09. > > http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MODTOOLS-31 I would agree that these are bugs (or reasonable feature enhancements), but there are much more important issues to address. (This assumes that the issue actually exist; I haven't confirmed that.) These are essentially export utilities, so they don't affect our real end-users: the users of front ends. > It's quite disheartening to see so little response after reporting a > software issue. > > CrossWire does not have a good track record as regards responsiveness. > Which other open source project would allow issues to be neglected for more > than 18 months? Most of them. Which other open source projects do you have experience with? I just checked the bug tracker of another FOSS project, which has corporate sponsorship and dozens of developers, including full-time paid developers. It has open bugs from the 1990s. --Chris From refdoc at gmx.net Tue Jul 23 05:20:30 2013 From: refdoc at gmx.net (Peter von Kaehne) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:20:30 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities In-Reply-To: <1374578160148-4652883.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1374567822677-4652879.post@n4.nabble.com> , <1374578160148-4652883.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: > Von: "David Haslam" > These utilities should give the required output when single verses are > requested, but should be "intelligent" enough to avoid duplications when a > passage is to be processed that includes the verse range (or part of one). Chris has answered already largely. Wrt to mod2imp - this is a utility for checking module content. The duplication tells you this is a linked verse. What else do you want from it? It coudl alternatively put that info into the imp node header, but I am not entirely sure why this would be better for the purpose it was designed for. It is not a round robin utility and certainly not a commandline frontend. In short - if you want to call it a bug - taking into account the scope and purpose of the utility you will need to explain why $$$Matt.2.1-3 ABC ABC ABC is better for your purposes than $$$Matt.2.1 ABC ABC ABC $$$Matt.2.2 ABC ABC ABC $$$Matt.2.3 ABC ABC ABC Latter is longer, for sure, but the implied information is the same. It certainly has served its purposes as far as i am concerned well enough. Diatheke comes closer to being a front end - and here your described behaviour could indeed be called a bug. But FWIW, diatheke is obsolete for all purposes other than quick look ups and it is solely maintained because it is easily maintained. And it is a nice enough short checking tool. I would think that those who maintain it use it as a tool to get to grips with the API. Users are here truly secondary. Module makers should not use it to produce modules, but solely for checking purposes There are a small number of projects (mostly church projection software) who use diatheke output and then post process it but I think this is simply a sign of lack of willingness to get to grips with the API. I have been in contact with one such project and pointed out the python bindings - my understanding is they will look at that closer and change their code as the options of the API are a manifold better than cut up diatheke output. yours Peter > > David > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Windows-Utilities-tp4652865p4652883.html > Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > From dmsmith at crosswire.org Tue Jul 23 05:41:46 2013 From: dmsmith at crosswire.org (DM Smith) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 08:41:46 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities In-Reply-To: <1374577795094-4652882.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1374567822677-4652879.post@n4.nabble.com> <1374577795094-4652882.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: More a comment on the thread than this reply. We have bug trackers to record bugs, to record feature requests, to record development plans, .... Reported bugs are not created equal. They are not equally important. They need to be triaged. Some thoughts: A reported bug may not be a bug but a feature request. A reported bug may not be reproducible. A reported bug may have a work around. A reported bug may be hard to fix. A reported bug may be design flaw. A reported bug may be of small impact. A reported bug may impact a few people. A reported bug may be easy to fix. A reported bug may be .... Volunteers work on: What they have time for. What they can do. What personally interest them. What reduces their support effort. ... This is pretty much the same as most open source software projects. Our basis here is a bit different than most open source. We have a mission to bring God's word to others. We should apply prayer to our efforts. Specifically, we should pray that God guide our efforts and provide workers for the harvest. In Him, DM On Jul 23, 2013, at 7:09 AM, David Haslam wrote: > Thanks Daniel, > > *begin rant* > > Why do they have issues trackers if they only respond to issues "that affect > them"? > > This is one of the worst aspects of many open source projects! > > The programmers don't take users seriously enough. > > Or they expect users who bother to report problems to be programmers who can > fix the bugs themselves and save them the bother. > > And some programmers suffer from what can only be described as the NIH > syndrome. ("Not Invented Here") > > It's just not good enough! > > *end rant* > > David > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Windows-Utilities-tp4652865p4652882.html > Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From dmsmith at crosswire.org Tue Jul 23 07:14:52 2013 From: dmsmith at crosswire.org (DM Smith) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 10:14:52 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities In-Reply-To: <1374577795094-4652882.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1374567822677-4652879.post@n4.nabble.com> <1374577795094-4652882.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <6EC211D4-92A7-406C-923A-7A1E4A86C5EB@crosswire.org> Regarding MODTOOLS-31, this should be three separate bug reports. Bug reports that are too broad are seldom seen as anything more than an observation. No one person would ever be the owner of this one report. I'm inclined to suggest that we close it as "invalid" or "won't fix" and state why. Regarding mod2osis, this is ATM orphanware. This is the least of the problems with mod2osis. Regarding diatheke, as others have noted, this is deprecated but reasonably useful. It is not clear what the importance of fixing this is compared to other work. Regarding mod2imp, the real question is what is the proper way to specify a linked verse that imp2mod can accept. Since we don't accept module input from the output of imp2mod, it is not that important to fix. Regarding linked verses, this is common in commentaries, but until recently was very rare in Bibles. It is still rare in Bibles. If it were in widely used Bibles and these tools were widely used, then fixing any of these might be more urgent. In Him, DM On Jul 23, 2013, at 7:09 AM, David Haslam wrote: > Thanks Daniel, > > *begin rant* > > Why do they have issues trackers if they only respond to issues "that affect > them"? > > This is one of the worst aspects of many open source projects! > > The programmers don't take users seriously enough. > > Or they expect users who bother to report problems to be programmers who can > fix the bugs themselves and save them the bother. > > And some programmers suffer from what can only be described as the NIH > syndrome. ("Not Invented Here") > > It's just not good enough! > > *end rant* > > David > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Windows-Utilities-tp4652865p4652882.html > Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As the head of one of said Church projection apps, we provide an import for OSIS files (from mod2osis) because the Python bindings are not avaliable in at least one of our major distros, Ubuntu. As far as I've heard, the bindings were not available because the didn't build. Add soon as I see them generally available I will most certainly be adding sword integration to the project. My ZAR0.02, Raoul. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From dfhmch at googlemail.com Tue Jul 23 08:49:14 2013 From: dfhmch at googlemail.com (David Haslam) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 08:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities In-Reply-To: <6EC211D4-92A7-406C-923A-7A1E4A86C5EB@crosswire.org> References: <1374567822677-4652879.post@n4.nabble.com> <1374577795094-4652882.post@n4.nabble.com> <6EC211D4-92A7-406C-923A-7A1E4A86C5EB@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <1374594554043-4652891.post@n4.nabble.com> DM wrote, "Regarding linked verses, this is common in commentaries, but until recently was very rare in Bibles. It is still rare in Bibles. If it were in widely used Bibles and these tools were widely used, then fixing any of these might be more urgent." I can assure you that based upon the large number of Bible projects that I have worked on since 2007, the phenomenon of linked verses (/aka/ verse range tags) is NOT rare. If anything, it is now almost always the case that a Bible edited with Paratext will contain some linked verses. It is very common. Anyone who thinks otherwise is probably not actively developing more than a few Bible modules (or for that matter Go Bible apps). David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Windows-Utilities-tp4652865p4652891.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From greg.hellings at gmail.com Tue Jul 23 08:53:18 2013 From: greg.hellings at gmail.com (Greg Hellings) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 10:53:18 -0500 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities In-Reply-To: <1374567822677-4652879.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1374567822677-4652879.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 3:23 AM, David Haslam wrote: > Greg, > > Is anyone actually looking at the software issues for SWORD utilities? > I'm sure someone is. I have no authority to commit to the utilities directory so I can do no more than the next person to get any of these issues addressed. I just happen to have an easy setup for building and upgrading the utilities, nothing more. --Greg > > This one is still open, even though it was created on 2012-01-09. > > http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MODTOOLS-31 > > It's quite disheartening to see so little response after reporting a > software issue. > > CrossWire does not have a good track record as regards responsiveness. > Which other open source project would allow issues to be neglected for more > than 18 months? > > David > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Windows-Utilities-tp4652865p4652879.html > Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dfhmch at googlemail.com Tue Jul 23 08:58:24 2013 From: dfhmch at googlemail.com (David Haslam) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 08:58:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities In-Reply-To: References: <1374567822677-4652879.post@n4.nabble.com> <1374577795094-4652882.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1374595104853-4652893.post@n4.nabble.com> DM wrote, "They need to be triaged." Yes - the do need to be triaged, but an A&E department in which the triage nurses never made a decision or never communicated it to the patient would not be considered "fit for purpose". Businesses competing in the real world are often assessed against the requirements of ISO 9000. One of the key measures defined in that standard has to do with meeting responsiveness targets. Having worked as a test engineer for one of the leading semiconductor manufacturers for most of my career, I can testify unequivocally that lack of responsiveness is one of the major causes of business problems throughout the industry. Failure to respond in a timely manner to customer complaints or customer concerns should be judged for what it displays. viz. A lack of commitment to quality in the supply of goods or services. David Haslam, MIET, CEng. -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Windows-Utilities-tp4652865p4652893.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dmsmith at crosswire.org Tue Jul 23 09:14:45 2013 From: dmsmith at crosswire.org (DM Smith) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 12:14:45 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities In-Reply-To: <1374594554043-4652891.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1374567822677-4652879.post@n4.nabble.com> <1374577795094-4652882.post@n4.nabble.com> <6EC211D4-92A7-406C-923A-7A1E4A86C5EB@crosswire.org> <1374594554043-4652891.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <94A103E1-2739-438D-A4CB-629ECA43F822@crosswire.org> On Jul 23, 2013, at 11:49 AM, David Haslam wrote: > DM wrote, > > "Regarding linked verses, this is common in commentaries, but until recently > was very rare in Bibles. It is still rare in Bibles. If it were in widely > used Bibles and these tools were widely used, then fixing any of these might > be more urgent." > > I can assure you that based upon the large number of Bible projects that I > have worked on since 2007, the phenomenon of linked verses (/aka/ verse > range tags) is NOT rare. If anything, it is now almost always the case that > a Bible edited with Paratext will contain some linked verses. It is very > common. I'll buy that linked verses is common in new translations. So, what percent of the modules in the CrossWire repository have linked verses? Isn't it low? > > Anyone who thinks otherwise is probably not actively developing more than a > few Bible modules (or for that matter Go Bible apps). Very few work on creating modules. So this is a safe statement. Regarding the Jira issue, it appears that you have a work flow for module development that needs to see the data as it is in the module to see if there are any problems in the assigning of text to verse slots. Maybe if you described your need rather than the problems you encounter with the utilities, we can help you address your need? For example, if you need to see the text, maybe you should make a raw module. Then the text in the module is visible, one verse per line. If you need to be able to know where verse are in the raw text module and you are making your module from an OSIS file, then use the -d 2 which will put verse start and end markers into the module. This won't show you linked verses, but it won't repeat text, which is the complaint about the three utilities. In Him, DM -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Failure to respond in a timely manner to customer complaints > or customer concerns should be judged for what it displays. viz. A lack of > commitment to quality in the supply of goods or services. > > David Haslam, MIET, CEng. I'd guess that our bug tracker is not highly visible to CrossWire developers. I don't know how many look in there for things to do. Because I am the Jira administrator, I've added myself as a recipient of all changes in Jira. (I've done this so that I can see if there are any administrative issues with Jira.) Sometimes, this will prompt me to comment on an issue. Also, I've added jsword-devel as a recipient of all Jira changes regarding Bible Desktop and JSword. I've encouraged JSword developers to create issues for each change that will happen to JSword and to use that issue tag (e.g. JS-142) in submitted code. By doing this we use Jira as a planning tool for each release. We try to discuss an issue first on jsword-devel and then, if appropriate, in Jira. Every now and then, I'll look for other issues in there (relating to things that interest me: osis2mod, KJV, ...). But it is not often. In Him, DM Smith -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is still rare in Bibles. > > > > I can assure you that based upon the large number of Bible projects that I > > have worked on since 2007, the phenomenon of linked verses (/aka/ verse > > range tags) is NOT rare. If anything, it is now almost always the case that > > a Bible edited with Paratext will contain some linked verses. It is very > > common. > > I'll buy that linked verses is common in new translations. > > So, what percent of the modules in the CrossWire repository have linked verses? Isn't it low? I am unaware of any test for counting this, but I can confirm that not a single modern translation (modern being 20th century and since) I have dealt with had no linked verses. As an issue it was for a long time not obvious to many of us. I think at the time when we did the big Beta testing and clearout - probably 2006 or so, we became aware of the presence of linked verses in many/most modern translations - which at the time showed itself mostly as empty verses in our modules. So, linked verses are a matter of importance, I just struggle to see how the particular output should be a bug in mod2imp. Within the described purpose - it is no issue. I would close the bug as a whole and re-open one for diatheke (unless David comes up with a specific use related concern relating to mod2imp's current output which he has so far not done. The only thing I would really suggest re mod2imp is that that the help output will be amended to explain how linked verses are expressed. Peter -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dfhmch at googlemail.com Tue Jul 23 10:26:34 2013 From: dfhmch at googlemail.com (David Haslam) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 10:26:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities In-Reply-To: <7AB58146-674C-4C93-B454-86B4F234F8DC@crosswire.org> References: <1374567822677-4652879.post@n4.nabble.com> <1374577795094-4652882.post@n4.nabble.com> <1374595104853-4652893.post@n4.nabble.com> <7AB58146-674C-4C93-B454-86B4F234F8DC@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <1374600394001-4652897.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi DM, You are, of course, one of the more responsive coders. With multi-tab browsers, it's not so hard for any CrossWire programmer to keep an eye open on trackers, etc. Currently, I have Firefox open with the following tabs: CrossWire Go Bible Our wiki Main Page and-bible issues xulsword issues gobible issues GoBibleCreator USFM Preprocessor on codeplex Go Bible Forum Two tabs for my box.com account Modules on JIRA ModTools on JIRA and, transiently right now, a tab for my Gmail account. David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Windows-Utilities-tp4652865p4652897.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dfhmch at googlemail.com Tue Jul 23 10:36:26 2013 From: dfhmch at googlemail.com (David Haslam) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 10:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities In-Reply-To: <1374599966.5143.8.camel@peter-ThinkPad-X200s> References: <1374567822677-4652879.post@n4.nabble.com> <1374577795094-4652882.post@n4.nabble.com> <6EC211D4-92A7-406C-923A-7A1E4A86C5EB@crosswire.org> <1374594554043-4652891.post@n4.nabble.com> <94A103E1-2739-438D-A4CB-629ECA43F822@crosswire.org> <1374599966.5143.8.camel@peter-ThinkPad-X200s> Message-ID: <1374600986940-4652898.post@n4.nabble.com> OK Peter, I read what you've said about http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MODTOOLS-31 At the time the bug was first encountered, it was with diatheke, and yes - this utility is important for me. So I thought it a logical move to check the other two "module contents output" tools to see if they exhibited the same symptom. If they did, that's useful evidence for the programmers, as it demonstrates that these 3 utilities probably share some common element of code. Fixing one utility at the right level of code would probably result in the other two utilities being mended for free. I should not be penalized for exercising a modicum of rational thinking while submitting evidence to support an issue. Best regards, David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Windows-Utilities-tp4652865p4652898.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From chrislit at crosswire.org Tue Jul 23 10:45:04 2013 From: chrislit at crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 10:45:04 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities In-Reply-To: <1374599966.5143.8.camel@peter-ThinkPad-X200s> References: <1374567822677-4652879.post@n4.nabble.com> <1374577795094-4652882.post@n4.nabble.com> <6EC211D4-92A7-406C-923A-7A1E4A86C5EB@crosswire.org> <1374594554043-4652891.post@n4.nabble.com> <94A103E1-2739-438D-A4CB-629ECA43F822@crosswire.org> <1374599966.5143.8.camel@peter-ThinkPad-X200s> Message-ID: <51EEC120.3080606@crosswire.org> On 07/23/2013 10:19 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > So, linked verses are a matter of importance, I just struggle to see how > the particular output should be a bug in mod2imp. Within the described > purpose - it is no issue. Just off the top of my head (i.e. I'm not looking at code and haven't looked at it in years)... In mod2imp, it's fairly easy to eliminate the repeated verses (just ++ the SWModule, IIRC), but less easy to actually output verse range references. If you ++ the SWModule, you'll get the next verse in the module, but (as mod2imp is currently written) it'll just print the verse number for the first verse. By the time you might figure out that you were in a linked verse, you've moved on to the next distinct verse. If you delay printing the verse reference & text until you have already advanced to the next verse, you don't necessarily know that verses weren't skipped (empty). So if Gen.1.1-Gen.1.2 were text, Gen.1.3 were void, and Gen.1.4 were text, I believe a ++ from Gen.1.1 would skip to Gen.1.4, and it's not clear how to identify that Gen.1.3 was empty without string comparing the verse texts. Similarly, if Gen.1.1-Gen.1.3, Gen.1.5 were a linked verse, when you ++ from Gen.1.1, you'll go to Gen.1.4. From there, you'd probably go to Gen.1.6, and it's not clear to me how you'd capture that Gen.1.5 is supposed to be linked to Gen.1.1 via the API. Do any real front ends print verse range information for users? --Chris From dmsmith at crosswire.org Tue Jul 23 10:48:01 2013 From: dmsmith at crosswire.org (DM Smith) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 13:48:01 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities In-Reply-To: <1374599966.5143.8.camel@peter-ThinkPad-X200s> References: <1374567822677-4652879.post@n4.nabble.com> <1374577795094-4652882.post@n4.nabble.com> <6EC211D4-92A7-406C-923A-7A1E4A86C5EB@crosswire.org> <1374594554043-4652891.post@n4.nabble.com> <94A103E1-2739-438D-A4CB-629ECA43F822@crosswire.org> <1374599966.5143.8.camel@peter-ThinkPad-X200s> Message-ID: On Jul 23, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 12:14 -0400, DM Smith wrote: >> On Jul 23, 2013, at 11:49 AM, David Haslam wrote: >> >>> DM wrote, >>> >>> "Regarding linked verses, this is common in commentaries, but until recently >>> was very rare in Bibles. It is still rare in Bibles. >>> >>> I can assure you that based upon the large number of Bible projects that I >>> have worked on since 2007, the phenomenon of linked verses (/aka/ verse >>> range tags) is NOT rare. If anything, it is now almost always the case that >>> a Bible edited with Paratext will contain some linked verses. It is very >>> common. >> >> I'll buy that linked verses is common in new translations. >> >> So, what percent of the modules in the CrossWire repository have linked verses? Isn't it low? > > I am unaware of any test for counting this, but I can confirm that not a > single modern translation (modern being 20th century and since) I have > dealt with had no linked verses. There are two traditions regarding translation, word-by-word and thought-by-thought. The latter is very common among modern translators and I think it lends itself to linked verses. > > As an issue it was for a long time not obvious to many of us. I think at > the time when we did the big Beta testing and clearout - probably 2006 > or so, we became aware of the presence of linked verses in many/most > modern translations - which at the time showed itself mostly as empty > verses in our modules. > > So, linked verses are a matter of importance, I just struggle to see how > the particular output should be a bug in mod2imp. Within the described > purpose - it is no issue. I would close the bug as a whole and re-open > one for diatheke (unless David comes up with a specific use related > concern relating to mod2imp's current output which he has so far not > done. My educated guess is that Matt 1:1-3 should be something like: $$$ Matt 1:1 verse text for Matt 1:1 $$$ Matt 1:2 @LINK Matt 1:1 $$$ Matt 1:3 @LINK Matt 1:1 I think there is an input style for imp2mod that accepts linking. IMHO: there should be a round trip capability between mod2imp and imp2mod. > > The only thing I would really suggest re mod2imp is that that the help > output will be amended to explain how linked verses are expressed. > > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Jul 23, 2013, at 1:36 PM, David Haslam wrote: > OK Peter, I read what you've said about > http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MODTOOLS-31 > > At the time the bug was first encountered, it was with diatheke, and yes - > this utility is important for me. > > So I thought it a logical move to check the other two "module contents > output" tools to see if they exhibited the same symptom. > > If they did, that's useful evidence for the programmers, as it demonstrates > that these 3 utilities probably share some common element of code. > > Fixing one utility at the right level of code would probably result in the > other two utilities being mended for free. > > I should not be penalized for exercising a modicum of rational thinking > while submitting evidence to support an issue. > > Best regards, > > David > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Windows-Utilities-tp4652865p4652898.html > Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So you are saying - but how exactly? You are not re-importing. Where is the point that the current way of output of linked verses makes you trip up during module making? Peter -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dmsmith at crosswire.org Tue Jul 23 11:00:26 2013 From: dmsmith at crosswire.org (DM Smith) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:00:26 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities In-Reply-To: <51EEC120.3080606@crosswire.org> References: <1374567822677-4652879.post@n4.nabble.com> <1374577795094-4652882.post@n4.nabble.com> <6EC211D4-92A7-406C-923A-7A1E4A86C5EB@crosswire.org> <1374594554043-4652891.post@n4.nabble.com> <94A103E1-2739-438D-A4CB-629ECA43F822@crosswire.org> <1374599966.5143.8.camel@peter-ThinkPad-X200s> <51EEC120.3080606@crosswire.org> Message-ID: