[sword-devel] Chinese Strongs markup

Troy A. Griffitts scribe at crosswire.org
Wed Apr 25 06:49:15 MST 2012


I'm sorry no (including me) has responded to you on this yet.

We used to use '|' to separate lists in osis in the first rev or so (or 
at least we (CrossWire) used them, until it was pointed out that lists 
in XML (at least in TEI) were delineated with spaces, so the lemma and 
morph attributes on <w> elements are space separated lists.  fine, but 
this doesn't solve your problem.  With '|', I would have encoded your 
example like this:

 > eg: Gen.3.8: <w lemma="strong:H8085 strong:H853 strong:H3068"
 > morph="StrongsMorph:H8799">[hear]</w>

<w lemma="strong:H8085|strong:H853|strong:H3068" 

I suppose you could still do that with 2 spaces instead of of the '|', 
but this isn't that it's not simply extraneous spaces in your attribute 

Anyway, the morph list should mirror the lemma list.  How you do that? 
Well, maybe:

<w lemma="strong:H8085 strong:H853 strong:H3068" 
morph="StrongsMorph:H8799 StrongsMorph:H00 StrongsMorph:H00">[hear]</w>

(your email to jsword reminding me of this old question from you and 
sparked a possible solution)

Maybe someone else has a better suggestion,


On 04/12/2012 10:16 AM, David Instone-Brewer wrote:
> I'm starting work on correcting some errors in the Chinese Strongs markup,
> but I want to step carefully cos I'm new to this.
> I couldn't find a Wiki page outlining what the rules are for Strongs
> markup.
> There's a note at
> http://crosswire.org/wiki/Modules_in_the_beta_repository/ChiUns
> pointing out one problem, but there are many, though it is basically a
> very good markup.
> It appears to be based on the free KJV markup, though it also notes
> every occurrence of the Hebrew article /eth
> /This isn't very useful, but it shows that they were keen to include
> everything and that they did a lot of work on it.
> In order to make sure they include every Hebrew word, they often
> combined words in one entry,
> eg: Gen.1.2: <w lemma="strong:H5921 strong:H6440">[on the surface of]</w>
> Sometimes this becomes complicated when one or more of the words is a verb,
> eg: Gen.2.2: <w lemma="strong:H4480 strong:H3605 strong:H834
> strong:H6213" morph="StrongsMorph:H8804">[rested him from all the]</w>
> - the numbers represent the words for "from" "all" "/eth/" and "working"
> - in this case the morphology goes with the last lemma (H6213) but this
> isn't always the case.
> eg: Gen.3.8: <w lemma="strong:H8085 strong:H853 strong:H3068"
> morph="StrongsMorph:H8799">[hear]</w>
> - the numbers represent: "hear" "/eth" /"LORD" and "Qal Imperfect"
> -in this case the morphology relates to the first of the three lemmas
> listed.
> I can sort this out, but I'd like to know how to record it
> - ie how can I indicate in correct coding that a morphology links with a
> particular lemma when more than one lemma is translated by a single word?
> I notice that the same thing happens in the KJV strongs (though less often),
> eg Gen.6.3 <w lemma="strong:H07683 strong:H01571"
> morph="strongMorph:TH8800 strongMorph:TH8677">for that he also</w>
> Is it OK to mark such occurrences as follows?
> Gen.6.3 <w lemma="strong:H07683" morph="strongMorph:TH8800"
> lemma="strong:H01571" morph="strongMorph:TH8677">for that he also</w>
> This isn't good XML, but perhaps it is allowable?
> Or is there some other way to indicate which lemma the morphology
> belongs to?
>     David IB
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