[sword-devel] New data, new CrossWire project, HELP WANTED

Daniel Owens dhowens at pmbx.net
Fri Apr 23 12:29:28 MST 2010


There is a SWORD module with Strongs tagging already (OSMHB). It was 
recently released and is in the CrossWire repository. The experimental 
repository has a text that follows Leningrad versification. It runs fine 
for me in BibleTime. The morphology will need to come later, and that is 
what we are working on at OpenScriptures.

Looking at David Troidl's work on Strongs, I think that would be a great 
place to start. It will be feature-complete, plus it contains many 
glosses from BDB. The lexicon I am working on will take some time to 
implement, but I am open to collaborators (hoping to find some!).


On 4/23/2010 1:45 PM, Chris Burrell wrote:
> Hi Daniel
> I think to start with we really need a Strong-tagged hebrew sword 
> module and if possible with the morphology in it. That would help with 
> the classic interlinears and in particular in their accuracy. Perhaps 
> that already exists, but I haven't been able to find it.
> And then as you say, a good Hebrew lexicon would be a great addition. 
> Hopefully David IB will be able to comment on the best way forward 
> here. We'll need both at some point, so either would be good!
> Chris
> On 22 April 2010 00:07, Chris Burrell <chris at burrell.me.uk 
> <mailto:chris at burrell.me.uk>> wrote:
>     Hi Daniel
>     I'm copying David IB from Tyndale House who is part of Tyndale
>     House and leading the data side of the project.
>     A couple of emails have circulated on this previously on our
>     blogs, which I've tried to capture (in part) on
>     http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP-44
>     http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP-45
>     I'm sure David IB will have more to input on this... I've copied
>     his original email below
>     Chris
>     ==========================================
>     THis is the best lookup lexicon to use for Hebrew interlinear - it
>     is tagged to Strongs, includes the pointed Hebrew and has an
>     abbreviated BDB entry. And the version downloadable from
>     http://github.com/openscriptures has even more corrections than
>     mine. For all I know, it might finally be letter perfect! THis
>     version is also packaged in nice XML which can easily be converted
>     to any other DB format.
>     The equivalent lexicon at Crosswire for Greek is, I think, in a
>     much better state, and didn't need all the work the Hebrew did.
>     The version of the tagged OT text at
>     http://github.com/openscriptures is also in very good condition
>     (prob better than the one at Crosswire). It appears to only
>     contain PD data - ie it doesn't include the more complete
>     morphology data which is copyrighted.
>     David IB
>     On 21 April 2010 23:22, Daniel Owens <dhowens at pmbx.net
>     <mailto:dhowens at pmbx.net>> wrote:
>         Chris,
>         I am not qualified to contribute code (though I lurk on
>         sword-devel because of my module-creating disposition), but I
>         am involved in producing content for the very purpose you
>         mention. By the way, if you are at Tyndale House now, you may
>         know Daniel Block. He is my PhD mentor at Wheaton College.
>         There are two content areas with which I am involved and would
>         be happy to collaborate on. One is Greek and Hebrew lexica.
>         Currently at www.textonline.org <http://www.textonline.org> we
>         are involved in collaboratively producing a modern replacement
>         for Strongs. We're starting with a Strongs base but hope to
>         provide a basic and up-to-date modern equivalent to Holladay
>         for Hebrew or Newman for Greek, except that they will be
>         released under a creative commons license. The challenge is
>         finding people to contribute quality entries with little or no
>         possibility of accolades in the guild of biblical studies (and
>         certainly no money!). The other project is a collaboratively
>         produced morphologically tagged Hebrew text (see
>         www.OpenScriptures.org <http://www.OpenScriptures.org>). For
>         that we are looking at Django and Pinax as the applications
>         for collaborating on putting together the data. For me, the
>         purpose of this is to fill a void of content for SWORD in
>         order to serve the global church.
>         I notice that full-text lexicons are part of the second phase
>         of your plan. Is there any way we can begin to collaborate on
>         that? I am open to your suggestions.
>         Daniel
>         On 4/21/2010 2:07 PM, Chris Burrell wrote:
>             *What is Tyndale STEP?*
>             Tyndale STEP is an offline and online Java web application
>             which aims to make ancient texts and maps as well as
>             timeline data, genealogies, ... accessible to everyone,
>             scholar and non-scholar alike, so that the Bible is
>             illuminated by its full ancient context. [see roadmap
>             below]. Tyndale House will also distribute the online
>             version to pastors in the third world, who often can’t
>             afford commercial Bible software.
>             A wiki page has been set up here:
>             http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep which has
>             a lot more information!
>             *Who are we looking for?*
>             We need lots of help!
>             • *Java developers*: this code base is mainly in Java so
>             we can do with all the help we can get!
>             • *User Interface designers*: there is currently a sketch
>             of the user interface, created more to prove a point. We
>             need proper guidance to make the software as user friendly
>             and rich as possible
>             • *Data harvesters*: Tyndale House could do with a few
>             extra pairs of hands to helpcollate the data and make it
>             available to the wider CrossWire community
>             *How do I start?*
>             • Get in touch!
>             • Read through the wiki page:
>             http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep
>             • Build the code from:
>             http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep_Build_Environment
>             • Check out our feature/bug repository:
>             http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP
>             • Have a look at the proof of concept sketches at
>             http://crosswire.org:8080/~chrisburrell/
>             <http://crosswire.org:8080/%7Echrisburrell/>
>             <http://crosswire.org:8080/%7Echrisburrell/> (including
>             timelines and interlinears on strong-tagged Bibles)
>             • Peruse the blogs mentioned on the wiki to get a feel for
>             the data and programming
>             As you can see, there’s plenty to do!
>             *What does the roadmap look like?*
>             */1st phase: build a multi-platform structure for standard
>             Bible-study tools:/*
>             • Bible texts, including original languages, translations
>             and interlinears
>             • Language aids, including lookup-dictionaries concordance
>             searches
>             • History tools, including an expandable timeline with
>             scripture links
>             • Dictionary articles, culled from various sources and edited
>             */
>             /*
>             */2nd phase: add detailed geographic, historic &
>             linguistic data/*
>             • Gazetteer of all named places, with short articles and
>             links to pictures
>             • Co-ordinates of identifiable places to GoogleEarth
>             • Map overlays of high-ref 1:20,000 maps of pre-urbanised
>             Palestine
>             • Flexible timelines which can be altered at key points of
>             uncertainty
>             • Full-text lexicons linked to the lookup dictionaries in
>             tagged texts
>             */3rd phase: add translation aids and links to modern
>             publications/*
>             • different possible translations for words and passages
>             • differences in manuscripts, with evidence for each variant
>             • expositions in modern and older commentaries, articles
>             and books
>             */4th phase: adds link to extra-biblical literature with
>             searching:/*
>             • search other ancient literature for similar passages in
>             a similar context
>             • look up Greek and Hebrew words in other ancient literature
>             • view ancient texts with translations where possible
>             These tools will put centuries of research into the hands
>             of non-scholars. When the information is laid open like
>             this, it is easy to see that the Bible is well preserved
>             and translated, reflecting historical events in real
>             places, and dealing with issues current in the ancient and
>             modern work alike.
>             If you have any more questions or want to get involved,
>             please do let me know!
>             Chris
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