[sword-devel] dictionary ordering revisited
dhowens at pmbx.net
Thu Mar 19 18:34:38 MST 2009
DM Smith wrote:
> Daniel Owens wrote:
>> I'm working on a dictionary with keys based on the lemma in the
>> MorphGNT module (which so far has no dictionary support). I am
>> running into two problems:
>> 1. Since the keys are polytonic Greek, the byte ordering method of
>> creating the index totally destroys the ordering of the dictionary
>> (same problem with Vietnamese). BPBible does a reasonable job of
>> dictionary lookup (so far the only front-end coming near to
>> supporting dictionary keys in polytonic Greek), but many obvious
>> lookups like anthropos are thrown off because the words starting with
>> alpha are separated in groups spread out over several places in the
>> index. Looking back in the archives, I saw a comment from Troy from
>> October 2007: "Generating a secondary index on a lexdict which
>> preserves some other order and alternate key is great idea and an
>> easy addition to the current code." Has anything been done with this?
>> 2. The use of upper case for the display of keys in front-ends is
>> totally unnatural. Can I plead that something be done about this?
>> Surely it is an easy fix, or is it more than a display issue. Not
>> fixing it makes SWORD totally unfriendly for Koine Greek students...
> I was going to ask the same thing today, as I was looking at the wiki
> for TEI dictionaries.
> The problem is a bit deeper than that.
> Chris has pointed out that byte ordering and code point ordering of
> UTF-8 are the same.
> The first problem is that of normalization of the keys in the module.
> This has several aspects.
> 1) In UTF-8, several different code point sequences can result in the
> same glyphs. We have chosen to use ICU's NFC normalization. tei2mod
> does normalization the other LD module creators (e.g. imp2ld) don't.
> 2) As you noted UPPER CASE keys are ugly. Some are unreadable (e.g.
> multiply accented capital Greek letters). Worse than that some
> languages don't have upper case representations of lower case letters.
> I haven't heard of any, but the reverse might be a problem. And others
> do, but it is not yet represented in Unicode (e.g. Cherokee).
> 3) Normalization can result in an odd ordering for end users. In some
> languages the ordering of code points is not proper. For example,
> German dictionaries, Spanish dictionaries and French dictionaries
> differ with respect to how they order accented characters. ICU
> supplies collation keys on a per language basis for this.
> The second problem is that of normalizing the search request. This has
> several aspects.
> 1) The search request has to be normalized in exactly the same fashion
> as the creation of the module. Using the same technique, but a
> different normalizer might result in a different normalization. It may
> be that a minimum version ICU is necessary. (Hopefully, later versions
> are backward compatible.)
> 2) User input may ignore accents. (e.g. do a dictionary lookup from a
> Greek text that lacks accents, or from a Hebrew text that has vowel
> points off). Or they may enter a transliteration (e.g. use oikos to
> lookup house in a polytonic Greek dictionary).
All of this is helpful background to the potential issues involved.
> I think a solution can be layered on top of the module as it is today.
> Basically, one or more secondary indexes are used to do lookup in the
> first. Maybe one is with accents and another without. Lucene can be
> used easily to create a single lookup with multiple fields where each
> field is a different representation of the key.
This makes sense to me. Add to accented/not accented: with
vowels/without vowels (Hebrew) and transliterated (using SBL's scheme?).
> I would like to see a solution that is part of the module or a part of
> the SWORD engine.
> In Him,
I think the engine should support multiple keys in a single dictionary
module so something like <entryFree n="ἀγαπάω|agapaō|G25"> would be a
feasible entry. A user could look up the same word in both the MorphGNT
and TR modules without having to switch dictionaries, and manual
transliterated user input would return the correct entry (or near to
it). Typically modules only use one sort of key for lemma, so the module
could determine what key would be looked up in the dictionary, perhaps
with a conf entry. The module creator would need to generate the keys,
and the engine would be set up to handle these multiple keys (which it
doesn't appear to be able to do now).
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