[sword-devel] Taming Wild Threads (was: Getting stuff done (Re: External links))

Peter von Kaehne refdoc at gmx.net
Thu Nov 27 02:48:27 MST 2008

LOL Chris!!!

I really was not sure whether you were serious about that suggestion or
not, but I guess now you were. I will give it a go sometime.

ok 2 things.

1) modules at crosswire.org needs to be received by a much wider group. Who
is controlling this? It should be a core group of people, all with
rights to beta and a few more. Add Daniel Owens, Karl Kleinpaste, myself
immediate as interested parties. Add  David Haslam. Add anyone else you
can think of. Let others create rapidly working modules and rectify them

2) I think you need to accept that while everyone here appreciates your
technical ability many seriously chafe under your management of things.

So, please concentrate on the one and leave the other a bit more alone.
Just as hard as it must be for you to deal with all our lack of
technical perfection (or seeming willingness to attain it - which is not
actually true, but might appear that way, given the slowness of
learning) as hard is it for others to deal with your lack of
understanding that we aren't wired like you.

God bless you


Matthew Talbert wrote:
> I don't know how to say this nicely, but your reply reinforces to me
> that you don't know how to relate to people of lower technical ability
> and knowledge than yourself. It illustrates quite clearly to me why
> there is frustration with your handling of module issues. As someone
> who also has this trouble, I can certainly relate, but I wish you
> could really understand what this does to the project as a whole. I'm
> afraid you don't and won't. I'm sorry if this is offensive. i am going
> to shut up now.
> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 3:46 AM, Chris Little <chrislit at crosswire.org> wrote:
>> Matthew Talbert wrote:
>>> I think maybe you're missing something here. We have non-programmers
>>> who want to create modules. You just told them to read the source code
>>> so they would be able to generate correct files. I can't stress this
>>> enough:
>> It's not really a necessity that someone understand C++ well in order to
>> write a quick list of supported tags, based on the filter code. If the
>> code mentions 'lemma', presumably that indicates support for the lemma
>> attribute on <w>. If it mentions 'lg' or 'l', presumably it's doing
>> something to support those tags. And so forth.
>> I probably only wrote on the order of 20% of the current filter code, so
>> I'm no more an expert than many others from the code side. And as far as
>> actually testing features in frontends goes, I would think everyone is
>> equally capable, at least to the extent that everyone can test on some
>> subset of frontends.
>> And the work need not be complete and exhaustive. If someone starts
>> plugging information into a chart in the Wiki, undoubtedly others will
>> contribute.
>>> So I'm clear, what I personally need for understanding how to use OSIS
>>> for module creation would be very small mini-module examples that
>>> cover the current supported features well, along with appropriate
>>> content. If you could do this, i will gladly learn OSIS and help out
>>> with error correction.
>> I think the KJV module, which is posted, might be one of the best
>> examples of OSIS usage. I'll post the MorphGNT and Tisch's 8th modules
>> when I get around to converting them, since they will demonstrate some
>> rather arcane and Sword-specific encoding practices that we intend to
>> use for multiple lemmata per word.
>> On the TEI front, I think I posted one of the Webster's dictionaries as
>> an example (though it might no longer be best-practice encoding). And I
>> do intend to post the new Strong's lexicons once I'm a little more happy
>> with them. A multitude of nice, if not quite the correct format we're
>> looking for, texts in TEI exist for download from Perseus. Their only
>> problem is that they are TEI P4 whereas we are using a variant of TEI
>> P5. So I'll probably post the new Josephus modules, based on Perseus'
>> documents but collected and converted to P5.
>> That should provide a nice collection of examples.
>> --Chris
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