[sword-devel] Site redesign (Re: Announcing FireBible 0.5.1 - GPLed Firefox font-end)

Chris Little chrislit at crosswire.org
Sun Mar 30 12:05:50 MST 2008

Sounds great. Any idea how to change the color scheme of the Wiki to 
approximate our other pages? I spent a few minutes searching for some 
instructions, but ultimately I'm not even sure where the templates 
reside on crosswire.org or if color schemes could be set within the 
Wiki. (Does this even matter? It just seems that, since we've got a 
consistent palette throughout the main webpages, the forums, & the bug 
tracker, it might be nice for the Wiki too.)


DM Smith wrote:
> I'll see what I can do to do a basic change to the wiki. I like your  
> suggestions.
> The other thing I'd like to suggest that we do concerning the wiki is  
> to put "Talk" on the Talk pages and have each wiki page be more  
> organized. A few of the pages have ramblings, such as http://www.crosswire.org/wiki/index.php/DevTools:SWORD 
> .. It seems that "I tried this ... and it worked for me" is good, but  
> should be "Talk"
> On Mar 30, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Chris Little wrote:
>> DM Smith wrote:
>>> I agree. The page should reflect a clear, dual personality. One for
>>> users, the other for developers, as you have listed it.
>>> And the users should be put first. This would be a listing of the
>>> major applications, with platform icons, and directions/links to  
>>> those
>>> projects. I say "applications" because I think BibleTool and
>>> FlashCards should go here.
>> The big problem with the main CrossWire page ATM is that it's just too
>> long due to the presence of dead, unaffiliated, and minor projects. I
>> imagine I'll keep a similar but compacted format the same, with 2  
>> sections:
>> Featured Site (no change there)
>> Users (shortened blurbs with links for each of...)
>> 	BibleCS
>> 	GnomeSword
>> 	BibleTime
>> 	MacSword
>> 	Bible Desktop
>> 	BibleTool
>> 	Flashcards
>> 	Sword for PPC(maybe?)
>> 	a link into the main Sword pages for Modules & for the other 				 
>> frontends
>> I don't think there's need for any developer-oriented material on the
>> main page. There's already a link to a Volunteers & Developers page
>> (which needs some serious pruning and a few additions itself).
>>> I don't see the point in the page being a jsp, unless it serves up
>>> something dynamic. Does it?
>> The JSPs are used throughout the CrossWire & Sword pages chiefly for
>> maintaining consistent look & navigation links throughout each  
>> section.
>> Like in the Sword pages, the CrossWire pages bring in the header (with
>> menus) and footer via JSP includes.
>>> Much of the crosswire.org pages are old and need of updating. I'd  
>>> like
>>> to see all the developer pages moved to the wiki and the old pages
>>> replaced with redirects. One that can be done right now is the  
>>> "module
>>> making" page, http://www.crosswire.org/sword/develop/swordmodule. All
>>> of it is reproduced in the wiki and up to date (the old page is out  
>>> of
>>> date).
>> How did you find the page? The main link to it has pointed to the Wiki
>> for a month or so. (I did just find another link to the old page, but
>> that's on a page that needs complete revision.) I don't think any  
>> links
>> to it still exist on the Sword site, but I know there are some  
>> external
>> links so I'll put a forward in.
>>> What if the "sidebar" were changed to have one set of entries for
>>> users and one set for developers.
>> I just find the sidebar annoying since it's so long that the search  
>> box
>> is shifted down below the first page, requiring scrolling for access.
>> The sidebar should only include items that a user would likely want to
>> visit from within Wiki entries (i.e. not when he begins to browse,  
>> since
>> that stuff should just go on the main page entry).
>>> The user set would have a small number of links: FAQ, Applications.
>>> The Applications page would list actively maintained projects. If
>>> those have active wiki entries, that would be referenced. Otherwise,
>>> the appropriate website would be referenced. Inactive/orphaned/dead/
>>> not-yet-1.0 applications would be another page reachable from the
>>> bottom of the Applications page.
>>> The developer set also would be limited: FAQ, Projects.
>>> The FAQ does not exist yet. Projects would be like Applications, but
>>> reference the home of the project and perhaps have it's own wiki.
>>> Pages such as for BibleTime are currently useless and should be  
>>> deleted.
>> I think I would condense that even further, down to one FAQ (unless
>> there's ever a developer-specific FAQ) and one Applications link--plus
>> the addition of much more guidance on the main page (links and text
>> beyond "Welcome").
>> --Chris
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