[sword-devel] Hesychius / MacSword / 1.5.9

Troy A. Griffitts scribe at crosswire.org
Thu Nov 23 19:07:36 MST 2006 

Awesome Manfred!  It looks much better!

> The keys of GenBook are now checked if they are UTF or Latin. Is there a 
> general method which gives information about if a module is encoded in UTF?

module->getConfigEntry("Encoding")

But, in general, everything should be UTF-8 going forward.  It would be 
acceptable to assume UTF-8 always.


> The indexing with Lucene seems to work correct for GenBook also with UTF 
> key and content, also for Hesychius. Searching seems to find the correct 
> results as far as I can tell. There is some XML content in the content 
> of the key which is displayed in the search result. I'm, not sure where 
> this comes from.

It looks like the hesychius.conf file is incorrect.  This line needs to 
be changed:

-SourceType=Plain
+SourceType=OSIS


> On double clicking on the search result row, the correct key with its 
> content is opened. But unfortunately on choosing a key in the content 
> pane on the right the content doesn't change, so there is still a problem.

module->setKey takes UTF-8.  Be sure you are converting it back to UTF-8 
before passing it to the API.

> 
> API problems from Sword 1.5.8 to 1.5.9:
> In TreeKeyIdx getFullName() doesn't seem to be there, I changed to 
> getLocalName() and it seems to work, please let me know if this is correct.

Almost.  getFullName was TreeKey-specific to return the entire path of 
the key and was removed in favor of overriding the base-class virtual 
getText.  It should probably be changed to getText.  getLocalName 
returns only the immediate name of the node which is current.


> MacSword, uses BT_BASICFILTER class from BibleTime which is a subclass 
> of SWBasicFilter.
> In a method in BT_BASICFILTER, tokenSubMap is used and the compiler 
> tells me that this is unknown. Have no idea why.

I've never heard of BT_BASICFILTER.  Sorry.

Thank you so much Manfred!  This looks very nice!

	-Troy.


> 
> Here is a picture of the current efford for GenBook.
> http://homepage.mac.com/manfred.bergmann/.public/msHesySearch.png
> 
> 
> Best regards and God bless,
> Manfred
> 
> 
> Am 23.11.2006 um 18:26 schrieb Troy A. Griffitts:
> 
>> Manfred,
>> It is likely to work ok with 1.5.8.  Also, the API changes were very 
>> few between 1.5.8 and 1.5.9.  If you decide to try the upgrade, please 
>> ask if anything won't compile.  Someone here can probably answer any 
>> questions pretty quick.  It would be nice ultimately to have a MacSword 
>> running the 1.5.9 engine because most of the new modules really do 
>> require it.  Thank you for your help and contributions, Manfred.
>>
>> I don't know if this is a holiday for you, but in the US it is 
>> Thanksgiving Day, so Praise God Who died a brutal death so we could be 
>> with Him forever, because He loves us so much!!!
>>
>>
>> -Troy.
>>
>>
>>
>> Manfred Bergmann wrote:
>>> Troy.
>>>
>>> minimum Sword version 1.5.9.
>>> Does Hesychius work with 1.5.8?
>>> If not, I have to compile and integrate 1.5.9. Are there any API  
>>> changes from 1.5.8 that might break something?
>>> Unfortunately I don't know the API of Sword so if there are any  
>>> problems I'm more or less helpless.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Manfred
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 23.11.2006 um 16:00 schrieb Troy A. Griffitts:
>>>
>>>> Manfred,
>>>> Thank you so much for spending time on this, and in such short  
>>>> notice.
>>>>   I do not have a Mac to try it on.  How does it do with the Hesychius
>>>> module?  It is in General Book format, not Lexicon:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.crosswire.org/sword/modules/ModInfo.jsp? 
>>>> modName=Hesychius&tester=true&beta=true
>>>>
>>>> -Troy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Manfred Bergmann wrote:
>>>>> Sorry again.
>>>>>
>>>>> But here are the updates with a functional dictionary search.
>>>>> I saw the links in the other mail were broken, here again:
>>>>> http://homepage.mac.com/manfred.bergmann/.public/MacSword- 
>>>>> debug.app.zip
>>>>> http://homepage.mac.com/manfred.bergmann/.public/MacSword- 
>>>>> release.app.zip
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Time for bed now...
>>>>> Good night
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 22.11.2006 um 22:11 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry folks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was a bit to fast.
>>>>>> Unfortunately the search in lexicons doesn't work.
>>>>>> I will have a look at this first but nevertheless someone could test
>>>>>> the bible book search.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Manfred
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 21.11.2006 um 21:12 schrieb Troy A. Griffitts:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Manfred,
>>>>>>> Yes, that would make him dance. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Troy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Manfred Bergmann wrote:
>>>>>>>> Troy,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sorry I didn't get the time on the evening that I said.
>>>>>>>> But I defenitely will have a look this week.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just that I understood right.
>>>>>>>> What he wants to do is some kind of incremental search means  
>>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>>> textfield fires notifications (or Events) whenever a character is
>>>>>>>> typed
>>>>>>>> and the search is updated right away, right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> Manfred
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 21.11.2006 um 20:41 schrieb Troy A. Griffitts:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Manfred,
>>>>>>>>>     This is great news if you might have something available
>>>>>>>>> soon.  I
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> no experience with MacSword, or programming for the Mac.  You
>>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>>> Dr. Winter's hero if you had a standalone app (macsword) working
>>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>> with Hesychius for his presentation.  Don't stress too much, as
>>>>>>>>> he can
>>>>>>>>> always require there to be internet access available and use  
>>>>>>>>> the web
>>>>>>>>> tool, but I'm sure it would remove much stress from him if he had
>>>>>>>>> something working which didn't require it.  Thanks for your  
>>>>>>>>> efforts.
>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry you've not had success getting your additions to  
>>>>>>>>> macsword
>>>>>>>>> released.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     -Troy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Manfred Bergmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Troy.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if I understood right.
>>>>>>>>>> Generally I have the current sources of MacSword and actually I
>>>>>>>>>> helped developing it for quite some time but unfortunately these
>>>>>>>>>> updates (Universal Binary) never have been released.
>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, changing the search mechanism to work the way you  
>>>>>>>>>> described
>>>>>>>>>> should be doable (once the index has been build).
>>>>>>>>>> I can have a closer look at this in the evening (that's in  
>>>>>>>>>> about 9
>>>>>>>>>> hours :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Manfred
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Am 20.11.2006 um 05:42 schrieb Troy A. Griffitts:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> DM, that's a nice screenshot.  I think Dr. Winter is mostly
>>>>>>>>>>> interested
>>>>>>>>>>> in quick/easy searching in either the body or the key of the
>>>>>>>>>>> lexicon.  I
>>>>>>>>>>> can rebuild the lexicon as an SWLD4 module, it macsword handles
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> better for searching.  In BibleCS, we have an incremental
>>>>>>>>>>> search-- as
>>>>>>>>>>> the user types it focuses the closes match in the center of
>>>>>>>>>>> about 10
>>>>>>>>>>> entries of context.  That would be great for him for key  
>>>>>>>>>>> lookups,
>>>>>>>>>>> but he
>>>>>>>>>>> still wants to search entries, as well. (and actually,
>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes the
>>>>>>>>>>> keys have multiple words, and his target word might not be  
>>>>>>>>>>> first,
>>>>>>>>>>> so the
>>>>>>>>>>> incremental search won't pull it up.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> All this to say, with all the great indexing everyone is doing
>>>>>>>>>>> on our
>>>>>>>>>>> data-- whether with sword or else with their own index  
>>>>>>>>>>> build-- it
>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>> be possible to do full body search results as an incremental
>>>>>>>>>>> search--
>>>>>>>>>>> while the user types, it fills out the results box.  Google
>>>>>>>>>>> "suggest"
>>>>>>>>>>> does this on the entire internet :)  We should be able to do it
>>>>>>>>>>> on a
>>>>>>>>>>> much smaller domain of data.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But regardless, I'm not a mac programmer, and have no idea  
>>>>>>>>>>> how to
>>>>>>>>>>> update
>>>>>>>>>>> (or even compile; nor do I have access to a mac!) to do any of
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce.  So, if we can't get even a simple tool for him by
>>>>>>>>>>> Friday, I'll
>>>>>>>>>>> probably just say he needs to be sure to have internet access
>>>>>>>>>>> for his
>>>>>>>>>>> presentation.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         -Troy.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> DM Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2006, at 6:51 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Macintosh Lexicon Support--  The Hesychius lexicon has been
>>>>>>>>>>>>> imported as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a sword module into GBS format using, e.g. /A/AD/Adam as the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tree
>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure for entries.  Dr. Bruce Winter from Tyndale House
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Research
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Library is presenting this coming Friday and would like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> data
>>>>>>>>>>>>> standalone on his Mac.  I have no idea how well GBS is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> supported on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac, or how easy the interface is for him to use.  Anyone who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with this would really take some pressure off of me!
>>>>>>>>>>>> MacSword supports GenBook quite well, but it might not be
>>>>>>>>>>>> obvious how
>>>>>>>>>>>> it works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is an image of how it looks:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.crosswire.org/~dmsmith/MacSwordGenBook.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that there is a "tray" on the right of the window.
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is activated by the icon in the upper right of the  
>>>>>>>>>>>> window.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The tray is initially closed when the window comes up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The up and down arrows merely go from one keyed entry to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> next.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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