[sword-devel] HTML Designers / Papyri Database (fwd)

Troy A. Griffitts scribe at crosswire.org
Sun Jul 30 15:09:23 MST 2006 

Hey guys...

OK, my quick email was way too misleading.

I am working on a web 2.0, buzzword compliant level 1 transcription 
utility page.  Just wanted to post my immediate plan so we don't overlay 
any effort.

On another note, it looks like this site:

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/projects/digital/apis/

is gaining headway as a papyri registry, and their tools don't 
completely suck.

Sorry for the confusion.  I'll post my menial contribution as soon as I 
cross the line of having something actually being useful.

    -Troy.



Art Bolstad wrote:
> I like what I see, so far.  I don't see anything more than the contacts 
> page. though.  I don't actually see any way to see transcriptions either 
> - other than what other sites are doing.  Is that what you meant?
>
> I think the idea of comments and user improvements to transcriptions and 
> translations is important, although the academics in the world, may not 
> appreciate the value of AMATEURS :-) .
>
> art bolstad
>
>
>
> Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
>   
>> Been making progress on a functional level 1 markup and transcription page.
>> Have a look at this:
>>
>> http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/projects/digital/apis/
>>
>>
>> Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Resending message from a different client... It seems spamcop has 
>>> blacklisted T-Mobile's IP addresses they hand out to their EDGE cell 
>>> phone clients...  Hope this one doesn't get marked as spam.
>>>
>>> Art and Matt,
>>>     I'm excited that we seem to have similar ideas of what this could
>>> become.  To elaborate on what you've mentioned.
>>>
>>>     I have hope that most major universities who frequently publish, or
>>> have important Papyri (Duke, Oxford, etc.), will participate in
>>> registering their documents.
>>>     These documents move around for display and they would have the
>>> option to update the current location of each document.
>>>
>>>     Open contributors would have custom skills which would cut across
>>> the domain of document owners and would include things like Matt has
>>> mentioned like: transcribers, translators, commentators.  Then document
>>> owners could officially endorse submission, or other higher ranked
>>> contributors could rank them.
>>>
>>>     The entire database snapshot would be available for free download as
>>> a DVD image (or set, if necessary).   Uniformly marked up data would
>>> allow all kinds of outside research.
>>>
>>>     HURDLE: Document owners are mostly protective of their images and
>>> make a fair amount of money from photographs, etc.
>>>     Possible solution: All images licensed with restriction that, if
>>> republished, they must be reproduced in entirety. Images could then
>>> include a border on the image with ownership/attribution text which
>>> would sufficiently make the image unattractive to publishers that they
>>> would still wish to photograph originals.
>>>
>>> There seems to be 2 levels of development:
>>>
>>>     On a lower level, I see a number of small, specialized utility pages
>>> for each of these tasks.
>>>
>>>     On a higher level it seem we'll need very different faces to the
>>> overall site will probably need to be developed based on the desired use
>>> case and role:  Document Owner, Transcriber, Translator, Researching
>>> Scholar.
>>>
>>>     Yes, I've been hoping we can work together with other projects who
>>> have a similar vision.  I was hoping we could show off some basic,
>>> useful tools before contacting them.
>>>
>>>     Thanks for dreaming together guys.  This is fun!
>>>
>>>        -Troy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Art Bolstad wrote:
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> I am enclosing a pdf of a proposed web interface.  It is simply some
>>>> drawings and text of what I think this database should look like on
>>>> the web.  If it is a step in the right direction, then we can work
>>>> from there.
>>>> Since it is a proposal, discussion of it would be nice.
>>>>
>>>> art bolstad
>>>>
>>>> Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> If you are an HTML designer, there is a huge need for YOU! :)
>>>>>
>>>>> We're trying to mockup some idea pages and really have no user
>>>>> interface skills.
>>>>>
>>>>> The idea we're trying to develop is a Papyri/Inscription registry
>>>>> database.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a place where ancient scans can be uploaded, transcribed at 2
>>>>> levels, translated, and demographic data associated.
>>>>>
>>>>> The sad start of a mockup is available at:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/papyriedit/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The data we're trying to capture is represented by something like
>>>>> (please ignore the markup specifics, but instead concentrate on the
>>>>> idea):
>>>>>
>>>>> $$$/Bodmer Collection/Biblical Papyri/P66
>>>>>
>>>>> <seg type="x-key" subType="x-BiblicalContent">
>>>>>    <reference osisRef="John.1.1-John.6.11">John 1:1-6:11</reference>;
>>>>>    <reference osisRef="John.6.35-John.14.26">6:35-14:26</reference>,
>>>>>    <reference osisRef="John.6.29-John.6.30">29-30</reference>;
>>>>>    <reference osisRef="John.15.2-John.15.26">15:2-26</reference>;
>>>>>    <reference osisRef="John.16.2-John.16.4">16:2-4</reference>,
>>>>>    <reference osisRef="John.16.6-John.16.7">6-7</reference>;
>>>>>    <reference osisRef="John.16.10-John.20.20">16:10-20:20</reference>,
>>>>>    <reference osisRef="John.16.22-John.16.23">22-23</reference>;
>>>>>    <reference osisRef="John.20.25-John.21.9">20:25-21:9</reference>,
>>>>>    <reference osisRef="John.20.12">12</reference>,
>>>>>    <reference osisRef="John.20.17">17</reference>
>>>>> </seg>
>>>>>
>>>>> <seg type="x-key" subType="x-DocumentName">P66</seg>
>>>>> <seg type="x-key" subType="x-OriginDate">200</seg>
>>>>> <seg type="x-key" subType="x-OriginPlace">unknown</seg>
>>>>> <seg type="x-key" subType="x-DiscoveryDate"></seg>
>>>>> <seg type="x-key" subType="x-DiscoveryPlace">Jabal Abu Mana, just
>>>>> north of the Dishna plain and 12 kms east of Jabal al-Tarif.</seg>
>>>>> <seg type="x-key" subType="x-DiscoveryPlaceLonLat">-127.645667
>>>>> 42.224675</seg>
>>>>> <seg type="x-key" subType="x-DiscoveredBy"></seg>
>>>>> <seg type="x-key" subType="x-Owner">P. Chester Beatty</seg>
>>>>> <seg type="x-key" subType="x-CurrentLocation">Cologny-Genéva,
>>>>> Switzerland: Bibliotheca Bodmeriana; one leaf is in Cologne, Germany:
>>>>> Institut für Altertumskunde der Universitat zu Köln</seg>
>>>>>
>>>>> <seg type="x-scan"><figure
>>>>> src="images/Collection/Section/Document.png"/></seg>
>>>>>
>>>>> <seg type="x-transcription" subType="x-level1">
>>>>>    <w id="c1" src="5 5 34 34">ÿÿ</w><w id="c2" src="40 5 34 34">ÿÿ</w>
>>>>>    <w id="c3" src="75 5 34 34">ÿÿ</w><w id="c4" src="110 5 34 
>>>>> 34">ÿÿ</w>
>>>>>    <w id="c5" src="145 5 34 34">ÿÿ</w><w id="c6" src="180 5 34 
>>>>> 34">ÿÿ</w>
>>>>>    <w id="c7" src="215 5 34 34">ÿÿ</w><w id="c8" src="250 5 34 
>>>>> 34">ÿÿ</w>
>>>>>    <w id="c9" src="285 5 34 34">ÿÿ</w><w id="c10" src="320 5 34 
>>>>> 34">ÿÿ</w>
>>>>>    <w id="c11" src="355 5 34 34">ÿÿ</w><w id="c12" src="390 5 34
>>>>> 34">ÿÿ</w>
>>>>>    <w id="c13" src="425 5 34 34">ÿÿ</w><w id="c14" src="460 5 34
>>>>> 34">ÿÿ</w>
>>>>> </seg>
>>>>>
>>>>> <seg type="x-transcription" subType="x-level2">
>>>>>    <w id="w1" src="c1 c2">ÿÿÿÿ</w> <w id="w2" src="c3 c4 c5 
>>>>> c6">ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ</w>
>>>>>    <w id="w3" src="c7 c8">ÿÿÿÿ</w> <w id="w4" src="c9">ÿÿ</w>
>>>>>    <w id="w5" src="c10 c11 c12 c13 c14">ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ</w>
>>>>> </seg>
>>>>>
>>>>> <seg type="x-translation" subType="x-en">
>>>>>    <w src="w1">In</w> <w src="w2">the beginning</w>
>>>>>    <w src="w3">was</w> <w src="w4 w5">the Word</w>.
>>>>> </seg>
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