[sword-devel] UI for Windows Question...
Chris
sword-devel@crosswire.org
Thu, 13 Mar 2003 02:15:31 +1100
Costas I. Stergiou wrote:
>Have you tried to run this exe on a machine without a JRE?
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No, so maybe it is using the JRE behind the scenes.
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>On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Chris wrote:
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>>Well I had a little Java swing program, about 5kb .jar file. And when I
>>asked it to, JBuilder7 converted it into a .exe of about 70kb, that
>>didn't appear to require the JRE. How it works I don't know, but it
>>seems to work. There's also the option of Linux and Sun/Sparc native
>>executeables.
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>>Costas I. Stergiou wrote:
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>>>Hi Chris,
>>>I don't think JBuilder can produce executables (native). Actually,
>>>no java app can be converted to an executable unless the executable
>>>contains the whole JRE within. I am also using JBuilder from version 2
>>>and I would agree that it's interface is quite good but still lacks
>>>the native L&F. On the other hand, JBuilder is really faster than
>>>other Java apps, an to be honest I have always wondered what Borland
>>>has hacked into to make this happen, but I am sure that the code
>>>that is produces is pure java classes with the usual behaviour.
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>>>What I said is just an opinion though and a personal choice from
>>>my experience until now. Remember, I am primary a Java programmer (I
>>>have JBuidler in me screen as I write this e-mail, I am at work now)
>>>but I still believe that java is (unfortunately) not the way to go for a
>>>windows GUI.
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>>>I am really new to this list/project so my opinion should not be
>>>considered highly. I am happy though to participate in this conversation.
>>>Thanks,
>>>Costas
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>>>On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Chris wrote:
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>>>>I personally would sacrifice windows L&F for the cross-platform ability.
>>>>Plus, JBuilder can produce native executables. I havn't tried
>>>>benchmarking them,
>>>>but I presume the JBuilder environment itself uses it, and it is very
>>>>snappy.
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>>>>Costas I. Stergiou wrote:
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>>>>>Actually, my full time job is java dev and it is really my
>>>>>favorite language for many reasons.
>>>>>Well, the reason I would
>>>>>not suggest java is because it is slow in the GUI, and does not provide
>>>>>a real windows look and feel. All the Java GUI programs I have used are
>>>>>indeed a bit slow and out of the windows feel. Also the JVM is not
>>>>>standard within windows. It would have been much easier for me to
>>>>>do my own work in Java (and I would have done in half the time propably)
>>>>>but I think that every language is good at some stuff and windows GUI
>>>>>is not what Java is for. I think that if you compare a native win GUI
>>>>>with any Java GUI (look, responsiveness, etc) you will agree that the
>>>>>diferrences are quite noteable.
>>>>>
>>>>>Costas
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>>>>>On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Chris wrote:
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>>>>>>Costas I. Stergiou wrote:
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>>>>>>>Some months ago I started on a software for personal use that would
>>>>>>>help in bible study. Since my best knowledge is in Java (5 years now)
>>>>>>>I started the implementation with it. Very soon I realized the (obvious)
>>>>>>>fact that Java is NOT for the Desktop.
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>>>>>>Why? My full time job is writing Java desktop (gui) software.
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>>>>>>>I thought of VB (where I also have
>>>>>>>experience) but I quickly dropped the idea since the code it
>>>>>>>produces is really slow. I ended up with Delphi (since it is really
>>>>>>>easier than C++) and now i have made a first version of a windows
>>>>>>>software for bible study. One of the reasons I didn't go with some
>>>>>>>of the already existing software is because none of these are quite
>>>>>>>good at searching/handling greek text (I am Greek) and none of these
>>>>>>>had a modern Greek translation which is the one most commonly used
>>>>>>>here in Greece. Also personal notes was really important and no sw
>>>>>>>gave real significance to that issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I am married with one child, and my responsibilities leave my with
>>>>>>>few time to work on this project. I would be really happy though if
>>>>>>>I could help anyhow with this idea. I have recently put up a site
>>>>>>>with the software which (unfortunately?) is in greek, though I have
>>>>>>>made an english version of the software. If anyone would like to
>>>>>>>check it out here is the link for the english version of the
>>>>>>>software: http://www.theword.gr/bin/theword-en-0.99-full.exe
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I would be really happy if I could help out here in any way, either by
>>>>>>>giving the code, some ideas on the platform or anything else I
>>>>>>>could help with. I could also give some ideas about the Java platform
>>>>>>>since it is my everyday work for years now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>Costas
>>>>>>>(once more, excuse me for my bad english)
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>>>>>>>On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Chris wrote:
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>>>>>>>>Jason Turner wrote:
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>>>>>>>>Personally I'd rather see a Java version than .NET.
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>>>>>>>>>So, to get to my point, I was considering writing a new UI in .NET. However,
>>>>>>>>>.NET cannot utilize native C++ libraries. It can use Managed C++, C#, ActiveX
>>>>>>>>>DLL's and native C libraries. Since I cannot use the Sword API as it stands,
>>>>>>>>>I was considering reimplementing a subset of it in .NET, and then building
>>>>>>>>>the UI on top of that. Of course releasing the whole thing under the GPL.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So, I'm looking for comments. Does anyone have any other suggestions? Is there
>>>>>>>>>anything that I have missed? Should I take a closer look at Diatheke or
>>>>>>>>>ActiveDiatheke? Is someone else already working on a new Windows client?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Jason Turner
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>>>>>>>>>On Monday 10 March 2003 09:27 pm, David Trotz wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>No the windows version does not allow this. Certain versions of the bible
>>>>>>>>>>will automatically break the paragraph into seperate lines per verse, but
>>>>>>>>>>other than that the answer is no. Sorry. It may be added someday. David
>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>From: Christopher Frazier
>>>>>>>>>>To: sword-devel@crosswire.org
>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 1:52 PM
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [sword-devel] UI for Windows Question...
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>>>>>>>>>>I've been looking everywhere for this, and since I haven't found the
>>>>>>>>>>archive to the lists, I guess I have to ask it here:
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>>>>>>>>>>How do you view the Bible text one verse per line in Sword for
>>>>>>>>>>Windows?!? BibleTime does this in an obvious way, but I cannot figure
>>>>>>>>>>this out at all in Windows. Does the program do this at all?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>TIA!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Chris
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