[sword-devel] Win Sword Module

Tom Lutz sword-devel@crosswire.org
Sun, 8 Jul 2001 15:33:56 -0400

Should I take offense to this as a Windoze user myself? ;)


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org
[mailto:owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org]On Behalf Of Dan Bertles
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 8:05 AM
To: 'sword-devel@crosswire.org'
Subject: RE: [sword-devel] Win Sword Module


Unlike "most" Windoze users, I do know how to unzip and install modules.  I
make sure "use folder names" is checked when I use Winzip to extract to the
"C:\Windows\Temp" directory.  This is the directory that I have set as the
"local" directory for the install manager.  I then install using the
manager.  I could install directly to the directory where Sword.exe file
exists and it will put the appropriate files directly where they need to
be, but I like to see if this is necessary by looking for the "upgrade"
icon listed in installer.  I also can easily uninstall and install into
another directory.  (You see, I keep two running copies of sword on my
system.  One is for english and the other is for original language texts.
 This way I don't have too many module tabs to look through if I'm just
reading different translations in English.)


On Saturday, July 07, 2001 9:24 PM, Jonathan Hughes
[SMTP:jhughes@crosswire.org] wrote:
> Chris,
>     Point understood and not worth changing right now. Maybe something
> could be looked at in the future. Now my question is how to make it
> for someone that is downloading the Windows zip files to be able to unzip
> them and install them. The problem lies in all of the files that are
> in that one zip file, where does the average user unzip all of those
> to? It will make a mess of their hard drive real quick with downloading
> installing all the modules they want. How can we creatively tell them how
> over come this problem so they don't get confused?
> In Christ,
> Jonathan
> jhughes@crosswire.org
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Little" <chrislit@chiasma.org>
> To: <sword-devel@crosswire.org>
> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 5:30 PM
> Subject: RE: [sword-devel] Win Sword Module
> > >     Well I was thinking as I was writing up the installation
> instructions
> > > for installing Sword Module Add-ins for the new website that it would
> > > easier and faster for the end user to simply unzip the module files
> > > the
> > > local directory.
> >
> > Windows users don't always know where things should go.  An installer
> takes that responsibility away from them.  It would definitely simplify
> things if the zips only needed to be double-clicked to initiate
> decompression & installation, but I think the installer itself is useful.
> >
> > Making the zips self-extracting might be difficult because they're
> by java.util.zip and I haven't found anyone who has subclassed this to
> win32 self-extracting zips that can run a contained file.
> >
> > > Why do we have a setup program that then launches a Dos
> > > program to unzip everything? Does this work in WinME?
> >
> > I don't know why it wouldn't work in ME.  I don't think it's actually
> running DOS.  Besides, maybe we could use ourselves as a tool for
> encouraging people to use any operating system other than this
> :)
> >
> > > How much manual work
> > > would there be to convert everything into self-extracting zip files?
> >
> > We have 195 modules right now.  Every one of them would need to be
> repackaged.  Plus, every time a module is added or updated, that would
> to be manually packaged.  It's not a job for which I will ever volunteer.
> >
> > On top of that, all the servlets and jsps would need to be modified to
> handle this.
> >
> > As a side note, if anyone is really considering redoing the ModDisp.jsp
> stuff in another language, I would recommend against it.  The jsp uses
> portions of Sword ported to Java, so it's actually using the API to
> out which modules are available and their various properties.  It would
> better to extend ModDisp.jsp to have additional functionality, IMO.
> >
> > --Chris