From 5001 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 1 06:49:39 2013 From: 5001 at hotmail.com (pola ashraf) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 15:49:39 +0200 Subject: [osis-users] Question about Commentary Osis In-Reply-To: <50E147E6.6060409@crosswire.org> References: , <50E147E6.6060409@crosswire.org> Message-ID: Thanks a lot Chris for your fast reply, I'll modify the Application and will start data entry Soon Happy New Year, Best wishes to you Pola > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 00:08:06 -0800 > From: chrislit at crosswire.org > To: osis-users at crosswire.org > Subject: Re: [osis-users] Question about Commentary Osis > > On 12/30/2012 8:43 PM, pola ashraf wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I don't know the suitable list to submit this question to, so i posted > > it to Sword-Devel and Osis-Users > > > > Now, We've made a very simple commentary editor, so non-technical data > > entry can use it easily to generate valid XML > > http://s9.postimage.org/r6vtq6hjj/Commentary_Editor.png > > > > We'll use it to make Arabic Commentaries, But i have some questions > > about OSIS XML > > > > *The Main Output* > > the program above make this output based on the chosen options > > > >

> > Blah Blah Blah > > Blah Blah > >

> > > > Now, > > How to Add Titles to the commentary text, So Verse 1 Commentary could > > start with title explaining the topic of the Verse/Verse Range ? > > .... > > Some of the established title types can be seen here: > http://www.crosswire.org/osis/schemas/osisCore.2.1.1.xsd.html#h-1757748498 > > For a title identifying the verse under discussion you could use: > <reference osisRef="...">...</reference> > > > What are the suitable tags for references (to verses, or general > > references) ? > > ... > > > What are the suitable tags for Book intro ? > >
...
> > Just place this within your book
but before any of the commentary > section
s. > > > This is an example for the Commentary Source text > > http://st-takla.org/pub_Bible-Interpretations/Holy-Bible-Tafsir-02-New-Testament/Father-Tadros-Yacoub-Malaty/01-Engeel-Matta/Tafseer-Engil-Mata__01-Chapter-01.html > > http://popekirillos2.bizhat.com/bible/tafseer/matew1.htm > > > > As you can see in the links above the commentary contains a lot of > > titles and references > > > > Happy New Year and Merry Christmas > > GOD Bless you all and Bless your service > > > > Pola > > I'm not sure whether this is really what you wanted, so let us know if > your need further guidance. > > --Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > osis-users mailing list > osis-users at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/osis-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 5001 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 4 11:32:41 2013 From: 5001 at hotmail.com (Pola Edward) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 20:32:41 +0200 Subject: [osis-users] Question about Commentary Osis In-Reply-To: <50E147E6.6060409@crosswire.org> References: , <50E147E6.6060409@crosswire.org> Message-ID: Thanks again Chris for your help . Today I spent my day trying different tags in OSIS , I'll use Head for titles since Title doesn't display anything, I write it in
But Head Tile Here Worked Also I'll use
After Titles to make the output more readable and will separate Paragraphs with Double
I couldn't get the references to work by anyway, and tried it in different forms . I'll Modify the program to render this extra output, Please reply me with your opinions > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 00:08:06 -0800 > From: chrislit at crosswire.org > To: osis-users at crosswire.org > Subject: Re: [osis-users] Question about Commentary Osis > > On 12/30/2012 8:43 PM, pola ashraf wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I don't know the suitable list to submit this question to, so i posted > > it to Sword-Devel and Osis-Users > > > > Now, We've made a very simple commentary editor, so non-technical data > > entry can use it easily to generate valid XML > > http://s9.postimage.org/r6vtq6hjj/Commentary_Editor.png > > > > We'll use it to make Arabic Commentaries, But i have some questions > > about OSIS XML > > > > *The Main Output* > > the program above make this output based on the chosen options > > > >

> > Blah Blah Blah > > Blah Blah > >

> > > > Now, > > How to Add Titles to the commentary text, So Verse 1 Commentary could > > start with title explaining the topic of the Verse/Verse Range ? > > .... > > Some of the established title types can be seen here: > http://www.crosswire.org/osis/schemas/osisCore.2.1.1.xsd.html#h-1757748498 > > For a title identifying the verse under discussion you could use: > <reference osisRef="...">...</reference> > > > What are the suitable tags for references (to verses, or general > > references) ? > > ... > > > What are the suitable tags for Book intro ? > >
...
> > Just place this within your book
but before any of the commentary > section
s. > > > This is an example for the Commentary Source text > > http://st-takla.org/pub_Bible-Interpretations/Holy-Bible-Tafsir-02-New-Testament/Father-Tadros-Yacoub-Malaty/01-Engeel-Matta/Tafseer-Engil-Mata__01-Chapter-01.html > > http://popekirillos2.bizhat.com/bible/tafseer/matew1.htm > > > > As you can see in the links above the commentary contains a lot of > > titles and references > > > > Happy New Year and Merry Christmas > > GOD Bless you all and Bless your service > > > > Pola > > I'm not sure whether this is really what you wanted, so let us know if > your need further guidance. > > --Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > osis-users mailing list > osis-users at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/osis-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 5001 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 5 02:29:32 2013 From: 5001 at hotmail.com (Pola Edward) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 11:29:32 +0200 Subject: [osis-users] Question about Commentary Osis In-Reply-To: References: , , <50E147E6.6060409@crosswire.org>, Message-ID: Just to follow up , The tags i mentioned worked on And Bible but when i tested them on Xiphos on windows they didn't work Head, font, HR, and BR Any Advice for alternative tags ? Pola From: 5001 at hotmail.com To: osis-users at crosswire.org Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 20:32:41 +0200 Subject: Re: [osis-users] Question about Commentary Osis Thanks again Chris for your help . Today I spent my day trying different tags in OSIS , I'll use Head for titles since Title doesn't display anything, I write it in
But Head Tile Here Worked Also I'll use
After Titles to make the output more readable and will separate Paragraphs with Double
I couldn't get the references to work by anyway, and tried it in different forms . I'll Modify the program to render this extra output, Please reply me with your opinions > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 00:08:06 -0800 > From: chrislit at crosswire.org > To: osis-users at crosswire.org > Subject: Re: [osis-users] Question about Commentary Osis > > On 12/30/2012 8:43 PM, pola ashraf wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I don't know the suitable list to submit this question to, so i posted > > it to Sword-Devel and Osis-Users > > > > Now, We've made a very simple commentary editor, so non-technical data > > entry can use it easily to generate valid XML > > http://s9.postimage.org/r6vtq6hjj/Commentary_Editor.png > > > > We'll use it to make Arabic Commentaries, But i have some questions > > about OSIS XML > > > > *The Main Output* > > the program above make this output based on the chosen options > > > >

> > Blah Blah Blah > > Blah Blah > >

> > > > Now, > > How to Add Titles to the commentary text, So Verse 1 Commentary could > > start with title explaining the topic of the Verse/Verse Range ? > > .... > > Some of the established title types can be seen here: > http://www.crosswire.org/osis/schemas/osisCore.2.1.1.xsd.html#h-1757748498 > > For a title identifying the verse under discussion you could use: > <reference osisRef="...">...</reference> > > > What are the suitable tags for references (to verses, or general > > references) ? > > ... > > > What are the suitable tags for Book intro ? > >
...
> > Just place this within your book
but before any of the commentary > section
s. > > > This is an example for the Commentary Source text > > http://st-takla.org/pub_Bible-Interpretations/Holy-Bible-Tafsir-02-New-Testament/Father-Tadros-Yacoub-Malaty/01-Engeel-Matta/Tafseer-Engil-Mata__01-Chapter-01.html > > http://popekirillos2.bizhat.com/bible/tafseer/matew1.htm > > > > As you can see in the links above the commentary contains a lot of > > titles and references > > > > Happy New Year and Merry Christmas > > GOD Bless you all and Bless your service > > > > Pola > > I'm not sure whether this is really what you wanted, so let us know if > your need further guidance. > > --Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > osis-users mailing list > osis-users at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/osis-users _______________________________________________ osis-users mailing list osis-users at crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/osis-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From refdoc at gmx.net Sat Jan 5 03:31:19 2013 From: refdoc at gmx.net (Peter von Kaehne) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 10:31:19 +0000 Subject: [osis-users] Question about Commentary Osis In-Reply-To: References: , , <50E147E6.6060409@crosswire.org> , Message-ID: <1357381879.13558.2.camel@peter-ThinkPad-X200s> ThML is better supported than OSIS for commentaries right now. I encountered the same problem a while ago, but forgot to follow it through as the publisher withdrew their permission to publish anyway. You can either produce ThML instead of OSIS or alternatively produce an OSIS commentary and file a bug against Xiphos. Xiphos is usually fast to fix things. Peter On Sat, 2013-01-05 at 11:29 +0200, Pola Edward wrote: > Just to follow up , > The tags i mentioned worked on And Bible but when i tested them on > Xiphos on windows they didn't work > Head, font, HR, and BR > Any Advice for alternative tags ? > > Pola > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > From: 5001 at hotmail.com > To: osis-users at crosswire.org > Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 20:32:41 +0200 > Subject: Re: [osis-users] Question about Commentary Osis > > Thanks again Chris for your help . > Today I spent my day trying different tags in OSIS , > > I'll use Head for titles since Title doesn't display anything, I write > it in
type="section"> > But Head Tile Here Worked > > Also I'll use
After Titles to make the output more readable > > and will separate Paragraphs with Double
> > I couldn't get the references to work by anyway, and tried it in > different forms . > > I'll Modify the program to render this extra output, Please reply me > with your opinions > > > > > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 00:08:06 -0800 > > From: chrislit at crosswire.org > > To: osis-users at crosswire.org > > Subject: Re: [osis-users] Question about Commentary Osis > > > > On 12/30/2012 8:43 PM, pola ashraf wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > I don't know the suitable list to submit this question to, so i > posted > > > it to Sword-Devel and Osis-Users > > > > > > Now, We've made a very simple commentary editor, so non-technical > data > > > entry can use it easily to generate valid XML > > > http://s9.postimage.org/r6vtq6hjj/Commentary_Editor.png > > > > > > We'll use it to make Arabic Commentaries, But i have some > questions > > > about OSIS XML > > > > > > *The Main Output* > > > the program above make this output based on the chosen options > > > > > >
annotateRef="Gen.1.1">

> > > Blah Blah Blah > > > Blah Blah > > >

> > > > > > Now, > > > How to Add Titles to the commentary text, So Verse 1 Commentary > could > > > start with title explaining the topic of the Verse/Verse Range ? > > > > .... > > > > Some of the established title types can be seen here: > > > http://www.crosswire.org/osis/schemas/osisCore.2.1.1.xsd.html#h-1757748498 > > > > For a title identifying the verse under discussion you could use: > > <reference osisRef="...">...</reference> > > > > > What are the suitable tags for references (to verses, or general > > > references) ? > > > > ... > > > > > What are the suitable tags for Book intro ? > > > >
...
> > > > Just place this within your book
but before any of the > commentary > > section
s. > > > > > This is an example for the Commentary Source text > > > > http://st-takla.org/pub_Bible-Interpretations/Holy-Bible-Tafsir-02-New-Testament/Father-Tadros-Yacoub-Malaty/01-Engeel-Matta/Tafseer-Engil-Mata__01-Chapter-01.html > > > http://popekirillos2.bizhat.com/bible/tafseer/matew1.htm > > > > > > As you can see in the links above the commentary contains a lot of > > > titles and references > > > > > > Happy New Year and Merry Christmas > > > GOD Bless you all and Bless your service > > > > > > Pola > > > > I'm not sure whether this is really what you wanted, so let us know > if > > your need further guidance. > > > > --Chris > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > osis-users mailing list > > osis-users at crosswire.org > > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/osis-users > > > _______________________________________________ osis-users mailing > list osis-users at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/osis-users > _______________________________________________ > osis-users mailing list > osis-users at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/osis-users -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From 5001 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 5 06:01:12 2013 From: 5001 at hotmail.com (Pola Edward) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 15:01:12 +0200 Subject: [osis-users] Question about Commentary Osis In-Reply-To: <1357381879.13558.2.camel@peter-ThinkPad-X200s> References: ,, , <50E147E6.6060409@crosswire.org>,, , , <1357381879.13558.2.camel@peter-ThinkPad-X200s> Message-ID: Any References / Articles / Tutorials are very welcome :) Pola From: refdoc at gmx.net To: osis-users at crosswire.org Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 10:31:19 +0000 CC: gnomesword-users at lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [osis-users] Question about Commentary Osis ThML is better supported than OSIS for commentaries right now. I encountered the same problem a while ago, but forgot to follow it through as the publisher withdrew their permission to publish anyway. You can either produce ThML instead of OSIS or alternatively produce an OSIS commentary and file a bug against Xiphos. Xiphos is usually fast to fix things. Peter On Sat, 2013-01-05 at 11:29 +0200, Pola Edward wrote: > Just to follow up , > The tags i mentioned worked on And Bible but when i tested them on > Xiphos on windows they didn't work > Head, font, HR, and BR > Any Advice for alternative tags ? > > Pola > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > From: 5001 at hotmail.com > To: osis-users at crosswire.org > Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 20:32:41 +0200 > Subject: Re: [osis-users] Question about Commentary Osis > > Thanks again Chris for your help . > Today I spent my day trying different tags in OSIS , > > I'll use Head for titles since Title doesn't display anything, I write > it in
type="section"> > But Head Tile Here Worked > > Also I'll use
After Titles to make the output more readable > > and will separate Paragraphs with Double
> > I couldn't get the references to work by anyway, and tried it in > different forms . > > I'll Modify the program to render this extra output, Please reply me > with your opinions > > > > > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 00:08:06 -0800 > > From: chrislit at crosswire.org > > To: osis-users at crosswire.org > > Subject: Re: [osis-users] Question about Commentary Osis > > > > On 12/30/2012 8:43 PM, pola ashraf wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > I don't know the suitable list to submit this question to, so i > posted > > > it to Sword-Devel and Osis-Users > > > > > > Now, We've made a very simple commentary editor, so non-technical > data > > > entry can use it easily to generate valid XML > > > http://s9.postimage.org/r6vtq6hjj/Commentary_Editor.png > > > > > > We'll use it to make Arabic Commentaries, But i have some > questions > > > about OSIS XML > > > > > > *The Main Output* > > > the program above make this output based on the chosen options > > > > > >
annotateRef="Gen.1.1">

> > > Blah Blah Blah > > > Blah Blah > > >

> > > > > > Now, > > > How to Add Titles to the commentary text, So Verse 1 Commentary > could > > > start with title explaining the topic of the Verse/Verse Range ? > > > > .... > > > > Some of the established title types can be seen here: > > > http://www.crosswire.org/osis/schemas/osisCore.2.1.1.xsd.html#h-1757748498 > > > > For a title identifying the verse under discussion you could use: > > <reference osisRef="...">...</reference> > > > > > What are the suitable tags for references (to verses, or general > > > references) ? > > > > ... > > > > > What are the suitable tags for Book intro ? > > > >
...
> > > > Just place this within your book
but before any of the > commentary > > section
s. > > > > > This is an example for the Commentary Source text > > > > http://st-takla.org/pub_Bible-Interpretations/Holy-Bible-Tafsir-02-New-Testament/Father-Tadros-Yacoub-Malaty/01-Engeel-Matta/Tafseer-Engil-Mata__01-Chapter-01.html > > > http://popekirillos2.bizhat.com/bible/tafseer/matew1.htm > > > > > > As you can see in the links above the commentary contains a lot of > > > titles and references > > > > > > Happy New Year and Merry Christmas > > > GOD Bless you all and Bless your service > > > > > > Pola > > > > I'm not sure whether this is really what you wanted, so let us know > if > > your need further guidance. > > > > --Chris > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > osis-users mailing list > > osis-users at crosswire.org > > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/osis-users > > > _______________________________________________ osis-users mailing > list osis-users at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/osis-users > _______________________________________________ > osis-users mailing list > osis-users at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/osis-users _______________________________________________ osis-users mailing list osis-users at crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/osis-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmsmith at crosswire.org Sat Jan 5 09:04:00 2013 From: dmsmith at crosswire.org (DM Smith) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 11:04:00 -0500 Subject: [osis-users] Question about Commentary Osis In-Reply-To: References: , <50E147E6.6060409@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <682136D9-10E7-49BC-8D8F-93879715FC73@crosswire.org> Pola, The tags you tried are not OSIS and will not validate against the OSIS schema. I'll try to explain why it may seem like a good idea to use HTML (or even xhtml) in OSIS: Because it works in some applications that consume OSIS. For example: Many of the SWORD frontends use an HTML renderer to render content, passing to it what comes out of the render filters. Many times the render filters pass the xml tags that they are not expecting. Other times they strip them out. The HTML renderers vary in their ability to render all of HTML. Earlier versions of Xiphos had a fairly limited renderer. They are moving to a better renderer and it may already be available. JSword is stuck with an early version of HTML. If the frontend does not convert the OSIS to HTML but to some other form (e.g. RTF) then it is most likely the non-OSIS tags will not be handled in an acceptable way. That it works in one application and not another should be an indication that what you have done is some how not quite right. Regarding the specific problems you are having with the output not showing up correctly in an application, that is an application problem, not an OSIS problem. This list is concerned with what is proper OSIS not with applications that render OSIS. If you have a specific problem with an application then that application's forum or mailing list is a better place to ask the question. Regarding titles in a commentary. By default the canonical attribute of a title is "false". This default is fine for Bibles, but not for commentaries. You'll need to set it to "true". SWORD applications treat titles with a toggle when canonical="false" but not with canonical="true". It may be that the application needs to have the toggle set to show titles (it may be called headings). The canonical attribute is also false for div, which is probably not true for a commentary. In the context of a commentary, canonical distinguishes between what is part of the commentary and what is not (example, an editorial comment/footnote). The OSIS equivalent of
is . The OSIS equivalent of and is . There is no OSIS equivalent of . That is a rendering directive. OSIS is all about structure. Rendering is left to applications. There is no OSIS equivalent to
. The closest is . But still this seems to want to control rendering, which is not in the realm of OSIS, but applications. Your use of is not right. It is only allowed as a child of , and . In those contexts, it is an equivalent of a title. Regarding references, it'd be best to have one issue per email. You didn't give enough information for us to try to help figure out what is not working. In Him, DM On Jan 4, 2013, at 1:32 PM, Pola Edward <5001 at hotmail.com> wrote: > Thanks again Chris for your help . > Today I spent my day trying different tags in OSIS , > > I'll use Head for titles since Title doesn't display anything, I write it in
> But Head Tile Here Worked > > Also I'll use
After Titles to make the output more readable > > and will separate Paragraphs with Double
> > I couldn't get the references to work by anyway, and tried it in different forms . > > I'll Modify the program to render this extra output, Please reply me with your opinions > > > > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 00:08:06 -0800 > > From: chrislit at crosswire.org > > To: osis-users at crosswire.org > > Subject: Re: [osis-users] Question about Commentary Osis > > > > On 12/30/2012 8:43 PM, pola ashraf wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > I don't know the suitable list to submit this question to, so i posted > > > it to Sword-Devel and Osis-Users > > > > > > Now, We've made a very simple commentary editor, so non-technical data > > > entry can use it easily to generate valid XML > > > http://s9.postimage.org/r6vtq6hjj/Commentary_Editor.png > > > > > > We'll use it to make Arabic Commentaries, But i have some questions > > > about OSIS XML > > > > > > *The Main Output* > > > the program above make this output based on the chosen options > > > > > >

> > > Blah Blah Blah > > > Blah Blah > > >

> > > > > > Now, > > > How to Add Titles to the commentary text, So Verse 1 Commentary could > > > start with title explaining the topic of the Verse/Verse Range ? > > > > .... > > > > Some of the established title types can be seen here: > > http://www.crosswire.org/osis/schemas/osisCore.2.1.1.xsd.html#h-1757748498 > > > > For a title identifying the verse under discussion you could use: > > <reference osisRef="...">...</reference> > > > > > What are the suitable tags for references (to verses, or general > > > references) ? > > > > ... > > > > > What are the suitable tags for Book intro ? > > > >
...
> > > > Just place this within your book
but before any of the commentary > > section
s. > > > > > This is an example for the Commentary Source text > > > http://st-takla.org/pub_Bible-Interpretations/Holy-Bible-Tafsir-02-New-Testament/Father-Tadros-Yacoub-Malaty/01-Engeel-Matta/Tafseer-Engil-Mata__01-Chapter-01.html > > > http://popekirillos2.bizhat.com/bible/tafseer/matew1.htm > > > > > > As you can see in the links above the commentary contains a lot of > > > titles and references > > > > > > Happy New Year and Merry Christmas > > > GOD Bless you all and Bless your service > > > > > > Pola > > > > I'm not sure whether this is really what you wanted, so let us know if > > your need further guidance. > > > > --Chris > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > osis-users mailing list > > osis-users at crosswire.org > > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/osis-users > _______________________________________________ > osis-users mailing list > osis-users at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/osis-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 5001 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 5 11:27:11 2013 From: 5001 at hotmail.com (Pola Edward) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 20:27:11 +0200 Subject: [osis-users] Question about Commentary Osis In-Reply-To: <682136D9-10E7-49BC-8D8F-93879715FC73@crosswire.org> References: , , <50E147E6.6060409@crosswire.org>, , <682136D9-10E7-49BC-8D8F-93879715FC73@crosswire.org> Message-ID: Hi, Thanks for the reply, Actually I'm totally lost, After 2 days of reading and many trials, I can't get it right this is my main structure
This is a title, and supposed to be bold and underlined

blah blah blah //Comment : I want to put an empty line but any number of elements render only as one blah blah blah

All what i Need is to make titles (Bold and underlined) and want to separate paragraphs with empty lines I don't have any problem to use anything other than OSIS if it's better and easier This is an example of the source texts http://www.arabchurch.com/commentaries/tadros/Matthew/1 as you can see it contains a lot of texts that's why i want to have a little control on rendering style to be more readable . Please if you can send me sample xml and I'll follow it and try it on And bible and some other applications Thanks Pola From: dmsmith at crosswire.org Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 11:04:00 -0500 To: osis-users at crosswire.org Subject: Re: [osis-users] Question about Commentary Osis Pola,The tags you tried are not OSIS and will not validate against the OSIS schema. I'll try to explain why it may seem like a good idea to use HTML (or even xhtml) in OSIS: Because it works in some applications that consume OSIS. For example: Many of the SWORD frontends use an HTML renderer to render content, passing to it what comes out of the render filters. Many times the render filters pass the xml tags that they are not expecting. Other times they strip them out. The HTML renderers vary in their ability to render all of HTML. Earlier versions of Xiphos had a fairly limited renderer. They are moving to a better renderer and it may already be available. JSword is stuck with an early version of HTML. If the frontend does not convert the OSIS to HTML but to some other form (e.g. RTF) then it is most likely the non-OSIS tags will not be handled in an acceptable way. That it works in one application and not another should be an indication that what you have done is some how not quite right. Regarding the specific problems you are having with the output not showing up correctly in an application, that is an application problem, not an OSIS problem. This list is concerned with what is proper OSIS not with applications that render OSIS. If you have a specific problem with an application then that application's forum or mailing list is a better place to ask the question. Regarding titles in a commentary. By default the canonical attribute of a title is "false". This default is fine for Bibles, but not for commentaries. You'll need to set it to "true". SWORD applications treat titles with a toggle when canonical="false" but not with canonical="true". It may be that the application needs to have the toggle set to show titles (it may be called headings). The canonical attribute is also false for div, which is probably not true for a commentary. In the context of a commentary, canonical distinguishes between what is part of the commentary and what is not (example, an editorial comment/footnote). The OSIS equivalent of
is . The OSIS equivalent of and is . There is no OSIS equivalent of . That is a rendering directive. OSIS is all about structure. Rendering is left to applications. There is no OSIS equivalent to
. The closest is . But still this seems to want to control rendering, which is not in the realm of OSIS, but applications. Your use of is not right. It is only allowed as a child of
, and . In those contexts, it is an equivalent of a title. Regarding references, it'd be best to have one issue per email. You didn't give enough information for us to try to help figure out what is not working. In Him, DM On Jan 4, 2013, at 1:32 PM, Pola Edward <5001 at hotmail.com> wrote:Thanks again Chris for your help . Today I spent my day trying different tags in OSIS , I'll use Head for titles since Title doesn't display anything, I write it in
But Head Tile Here Worked Also I'll use
After Titles to make the output more readable and will separate Paragraphs with Double
I couldn't get the references to work by anyway, and tried it in different forms . I'll Modify the program to render this extra output, Please reply me with your opinions > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 00:08:06 -0800 > From: chrislit at crosswire.org > To: osis-users at crosswire.org > Subject: Re: [osis-users] Question about Commentary Osis > > On 12/30/2012 8:43 PM, pola ashraf wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I don't know the suitable list to submit this question to, so i posted > > it to Sword-Devel and Osis-Users > > > > Now, We've made a very simple commentary editor, so non-technical data > > entry can use it easily to generate valid XML > > http://s9.postimage.org/r6vtq6hjj/Commentary_Editor.png > > > > We'll use it to make Arabic Commentaries, But i have some questions > > about OSIS XML > > > > *The Main Output* > > the program above make this output based on the chosen options > > > >

> > Blah Blah Blah > > Blah Blah > >

> > > > Now, > > How to Add Titles to the commentary text, So Verse 1 Commentary could > > start with title explaining the topic of the Verse/Verse Range ? > > .... > > Some of the established title types can be seen here: > http://www.crosswire.org/osis/schemas/osisCore.2.1.1.xsd.html#h-1757748498 > > For a title identifying the verse under discussion you could use: > <reference osisRef="...">...</reference> > > > What are the suitable tags for references (to verses, or general > > references) ? > > ... > > > What are the suitable tags for Book intro ? > >
...
> > Just place this within your book
but before any of the commentary > section
s. > > > This is an example for the Commentary Source text > > http://st-takla.org/pub_Bible-Interpretations/Holy-Bible-Tafsir-02-New-Testament/Father-Tadros-Yacoub-Malaty/01-Engeel-Matta/Tafseer-Engil-Mata__01-Chapter-01.html > > http://popekirillos2.bizhat.com/bible/tafseer/matew1.htm > > > > As you can see in the links above the commentary contains a lot of > > titles and references > > > > Happy New Year and Merry Christmas > > GOD Bless you all and Bless your service > > > > Pola > > I'm not sure whether this is really what you wanted, so let us know if > your need further guidance. > > --Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > osis-users mailing list > osis-users at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/osis-users _______________________________________________ osis-users mailing list osis-users at crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/osis-users _______________________________________________ osis-users mailing list osis-users at crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/osis-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chrislit at crosswire.org Fri Jan 11 05:44:01 2013 From: chrislit at crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 04:44:01 -0800 Subject: [osis-users] Question about Commentary Osis In-Reply-To: References: , , <50E147E6.6060409@crosswire.org>, , <682136D9-10E7-49BC-8D8F-93879715FC73@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <50F00911.7080203@crosswire.org> Hi Pola, On 1/5/2013 10:27 AM, Pola Edward wrote: > Hi, > Thanks for the reply, > Actually I'm totally lost, After 2 days of reading and many trials, I > can't get it right > this is my main structure > >
type="section"> > This is a title, and supposed to be > bold and underlined >

> > blah blah blah //Comment : I > want to put an empty line but any number of elements render only > as one > blah blah blah >

>
> > All what i Need is to make titles (Bold and underlined) and want to > separate paragraphs with empty lines Titles in the above case should not be marked as canonical="true", since this is for titles that are part of canonical biblical text. Styling can be assigned with the element, using the attributes identified here (as you have used in other cases above):http://www.crosswire.org/osis/schemas/osisCore.2.1.1.xsd.html#h763275348 So if you want a bold and underlined title text, you could do: <hi type="bold"><hi type="underline">This is a title...</hi></hi> To add an extra line between paragraphs, use markup such as:

some paragraph text

some paragraph text for a second paragraph

... I'm not sure what would prevent a renderer from placing extra linebreaks between paragraphs with the above markup, but if you have troubles, please report which app rendering incorrectly. --Chris From 5001 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 11 13:01:09 2013 From: 5001 at hotmail.com (Pola Edward) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 22:01:09 +0200 Subject: [osis-users] Question about Commentary Osis In-Reply-To: <50F00911.7080203@crosswire.org> References: , , , <50E147E6.6060409@crosswire.org>, , , , <682136D9-10E7-49BC-8D8F-93879715FC73@crosswire.org>, , <50F00911.7080203@crosswire.org> Message-ID: Thanks for the reply, Attached the images using your markup, no effect in 3 programs You can see screenshots here http://depositfiles.com/files/36011rgm3 I'm thinking in making the commentaries in intermediate markup format, so Data entry group can start ASAP, and I'll convert it later to any format Note: Xiphos, displayed the ThML markup inside OSIS XML correctly in previous trials, but other Apps didn't display it the same and just ignored it Pola > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 04:44:01 -0800 > From: chrislit at crosswire.org > To: osis-users at crosswire.org > Subject: Re: [osis-users] Question about Commentary Osis > > Hi Pola, > > On 1/5/2013 10:27 AM, Pola Edward wrote: > > Hi, > > Thanks for the reply, > > Actually I'm totally lost, After 2 days of reading and many trials, I > > can't get it right > > this is my main structure > > > >
> type="section"> > > This is a title, and supposed to be > > bold and underlined > >

> > > > blah blah blah //Comment : I > > want to put an empty line but any number of elements render only > > as one > > blah blah blah > >

> >
> > > > All what i Need is to make titles (Bold and underlined) and want to > > separate paragraphs with empty lines > > Titles in the above case should not be marked as canonical="true", since > this is for titles that are part of canonical biblical text. > > Styling can be assigned with the element, using the attributes > identified here (as you have used in other cases > above):http://www.crosswire.org/osis/schemas/osisCore.2.1.1.xsd.html#h763275348 > > So if you want a bold and underlined title text, you could do: > <hi type="bold"><hi type="underline">This is a > title...</hi></hi> > > > To add an extra line between paragraphs, use markup such as: >

some paragraph text

> >

some paragraph text for a second paragraph

> > ... > > > I'm not sure what would prevent a renderer from placing extra linebreaks > between paragraphs with the above markup, but if you have troubles, > please report which app rendering incorrectly. > > --Chris > > > > _______________________________________________ > osis-users mailing list > osis-users at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/osis-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: