From todd at snowfallsoftware.com  Thu Jan  5 08:28:23 2006
From: todd at snowfallsoftware.com (Todd Tillinghast)
Date: Thu Jan  5 08:22:44 2006
Subject: [osis-core] Add <verse/> to <title>
Message-ID: <43BD3B17.9010200@snowfallsoftware.com>

Proposal:
Add <verse> to <title>.

Reason:
There can be canonical section titles. 
The GNT92 has canonical section titles in Ezra.10.23 and other cases 
that surround it.
Although we have not see such a case, it is also possible to have a case 
in Psalms with the "Hebrew titles".

Timing:
In finalizing the user documentation, Patrick has identified a 
signifigant issue with the <cast> group of elements (not text is allowed 
in the elements) and is suggesting a "bug fix" release osisCore.2.1.1.xsd. 

Are there any objections to adding <verse> to <title> in the next few 
days and releasing osisCore.2.1.1.xsd?

I have already discussed the issue with Patrick and he is on board with 
the proposed change.

Todd
From scribe at crosswire.org  Thu Jan  5 11:17:02 2006
From: scribe at crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts)
Date: Thu Jan  5 11:08:10 2006
Subject: [osis-core] Add <verse/> to <title>
In-Reply-To: <43BD3B17.9010200@snowfallsoftware.com>
References: <43BD3B17.9010200@snowfallsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <43BD629E.3070109@crosswire.org>

Can you give an example of why we need something other than the current 
allowed syntax?

<verse osisID="Ps.23.title">
   <title>
     A Psalm of David.
   </title>
</verse>
<verse osisID="Ps.23.1">	
The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want.
</verse>



Todd Tillinghast wrote:
> Proposal:
> Add <verse> to <title>.
> 
> Reason:
> There can be canonical section titles. The GNT92 has canonical section 
> titles in Ezra.10.23 and other cases that surround it.
> Although we have not see such a case, it is also possible to have a case 
> in Psalms with the "Hebrew titles".
> 
> Timing:
> In finalizing the user documentation, Patrick has identified a 
> signifigant issue with the <cast> group of elements (not text is allowed 
> in the elements) and is suggesting a "bug fix" release osisCore.2.1.1.xsd.
> Are there any objections to adding <verse> to <title> in the next few 
> days and releasing osisCore.2.1.1.xsd?
> 
> I have already discussed the issue with Patrick and he is on board with 
> the proposed change.
> 
> Todd
> _______________________________________________
> osis-core mailing list
> osis-core@bibletechnologieswg.org
> http://www.bibletechnologieswg.org/mailman/listinfo/osis-core

From patrick at durusau.net  Thu Jan  5 12:30:01 2006
From: patrick at durusau.net (Patrick Durusau)
Date: Thu Jan  5 12:24:45 2006
Subject: [osis-core] Add <verse/> to <title>
In-Reply-To: <43BD629E.3070109@crosswire.org>
References: <43BD3B17.9010200@snowfallsoftware.com>
	<43BD629E.3070109@crosswire.org>
Message-ID: <43BD73B9.8040203@durusau.net>

Troy,

I did not get the original message so this may bounce from the list. If 
so, can you subscribe patrick@durusau.net?

As I understand the problem from Todd, what is needed is as follows:

WARNING: NOT VALID OSIS MARKUP

<title><verse osisID="Ezra.10.23" sID="Ezra.10.23"/>Among the 
Levites</titles
<list>
<item>Jozabad,</item>
<item>Shimei,</item>
...
</list><verse eID="Ezra.10.23/>

In other words, the USFM allows marking that portion of the verse (and 
not repeating it) as a title and placing the verse number before it, 
then continuing with the verse.

Todd said there were about 10 examples in the source he had. Actually if 
you look at Ezra10:23 in the NIV Study Bible, it looks fairly close to 
what he described.

Thanks for your example, however. I did not consider doing:

<verse osisID="Ezra.10.23" sID="Ezra.10.23"/>
<title>Among the Levites</title>
<list>
<item>Jozabad,</item>
<item>Shimei,</item>
...
</list><verse eID="Ezra.10.23/>

Too simple of a solution occur to me. ;-)

Hope everyone is having a great day!

Patrick

Todd, what do you think of Troy's suggestion?
Troy A. Griffitts wrote:

> Can you give an example of why we need something other than the 
> current allowed syntax?
>
> <verse osisID="Ps.23.title">
>   <title>
>     A Psalm of David.
>   </title>
> </verse>
> <verse osisID="Ps.23.1">   
> The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want.
> </verse>
>
>
>
> Todd Tillinghast wrote:
>
>> Proposal:
>> Add <verse> to <title>.
>>
>> Reason:
>> There can be canonical section titles. The GNT92 has canonical 
>> section titles in Ezra.10.23 and other cases that surround it.
>> Although we have not see such a case, it is also possible to have a 
>> case in Psalms with the "Hebrew titles".
>>
>> Timing:
>> In finalizing the user documentation, Patrick has identified a 
>> signifigant issue with the <cast> group of elements (not text is 
>> allowed in the elements) and is suggesting a "bug fix" release 
>> osisCore.2.1.1.xsd.
>> Are there any objections to adding <verse> to <title> in the next few 
>> days and releasing osisCore.2.1.1.xsd?
>>
>> I have already discussed the issue with Patrick and he is on board 
>> with the proposed change.
>>
>> Todd
>> _______________________________________________
>> osis-core mailing list
>> osis-core@bibletechnologieswg.org
>> http://www.bibletechnologieswg.org/mailman/listinfo/osis-core
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> osis-core mailing list
> osis-core@bibletechnologieswg.org
> http://www.bibletechnologieswg.org/mailman/listinfo/osis-core
>
>

-- 
Patrick Durusau
Patrick@Durusau.net
Chair, V1 - Text Processing: Office and Publishing Systems Interface
Co-Editor, ISO 13250, Topic Maps -- Reference Model
Member, Text Encoding Initiative Board of Directors, 2003-2005

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