<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Disclaimer: I work for Sun Microsystems, Inc., at least today :). I even used to be a NetBeans Evangelist until June of last year. I've been following this alias for some time and I've never replied to it so I know my credibility isn't established. Please understand that my comments are coming to you as my true experiences and not some marketing mumbo-jumbo. I first worked for the Sun tools organization in 2003. I can tell you I hated NetBeans. NetBeans was about version 3.5 at the time and it was extremely painful to use. We even had a guy on our team, that was developing a point product based on NetBeans, that used Eclipse because he couldn't take it. I started out on the project using JBuilder but soon decided I needed to eat my own dogfood so to speak. Since 2003, I've first-hand experienced an incredible transformation of NetBeans from a real miserable experience to the incredible out-of-box experience it is today. Sun has invested tons of engineering resources in NetBeans. As a NetBeans Evangelist, I constantly gave feedback to the engineering team about what developers wanted. Usually the features came from Eclipse or IntelliJ. We especially targeted IntelliJ's incredible editing experience as our goal. NetBeans has really come a long way. </div><div><br></div><div>I would say the biggest plus you have with NetBeans over Eclipse is the "out-of-box" experience. In other words, you install the flavor or NetBeans you want and you're up and running without hunting down plugins to get working. Yes MyEclipse uses this model for Eclipse and that's really a bonus for developers. BTW, I'm glad to see a brother in a lead position at Genuitec (Brian Fernandes) :). NetBeans has an incredible JavaScript editor/debugger as well as PHP, Ruby, and Python support.</div><div><br></div><div>NetBeans isn't perfect but it's an incredible IDE for free. Please feel free to ask me any questions about NetBeans.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, I've seen another thread talking about using a Rich Client Platform (RCP) as a basis for Bible Desktop. NetBeans was the first RCP and Eclipse came along and admittedly did a better job in some areas. Please keep in mind that you will be stuck with SWT if you use the Eclipse RCP. Sun has also been investing heavily in the NetBeans RCP and it has made huge progress as well.</div><div><br></div><div>Yes and someday I hope to have time to contribute to the JSword project. Who knows, maybe I'll download the code and get it up and running under NetBeans soon. I know God's using JSword to have an eternal impact on the world. :)</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers!</div><div>-David</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>On Mar 4, 2009, at 9:43 AM, Manfred Bergmann wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>Troy.<br><br>Same here.<br>I've worked years with Eclipse but then switched to NetBeans when version 5.0 was out.<br>Even though I've switched again to IDEA which is unfortunately not free I still do some things with NetBeans and actually I don't know why so many use Eclipse.<br>In my opinion NetBeans is so much better...<br><br><br>Regards,<br>Manfred<br><br><br>Am 04.03.2009 um 16:00 schrieb Troy A. Griffitts:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Hey Guys,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sorry for this slightly off-topic email, but since JBuilder folded I've been lost.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I have tried and tried and TRIED to like Eclipse, but after years of trying, I'm giving up. My conclusion is that Eclipse barely functions when I finally get all the disparate pieces and tools updated and configured how they're supposed to be. It's sad. It's a great concept, but in practice, it does not compare to a commercial tool integrated and packaged by a single organization-- which I fear is the same for our software sometimes.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">But anyway, I'll end my rant and reflection at that.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Can anyone suggest a new tool for me to try? I'm considering NetBeans, only because I know of no others.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Thanks,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>-Troy.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">PS. Usage, and what I miss from JBuilder: JSP editing/debugging, remote edit via scp, database aware swing components, gui wysiwyg swing editing, jar application packaging (dependency slurping to single jar), vi editing!, and of course I'd like to have a nice js editor, but haven't ever seen one in the wild.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">jsword-devel mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:jsword-devel@crosswire.org">jsword-devel@crosswire.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/jsword-devel">http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/jsword-devel</a><br></blockquote><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>jsword-devel mailing list<br><a href="mailto:jsword-devel@crosswire.org">jsword-devel@crosswire.org</a><br><a href="http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/jsword-devel">http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/jsword-devel</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>