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cgngon
Regular Joined: Apr 28, 2011 Post Count: 26 Status: Offline |
Hi David, Concerning thinks you mention: 1) The order of book: I don't have hand on it. I compile the module with good option (SynodalP) and the IMP file i use was also in the correct order (same as source book), and i add versification instruction in the .conf file. So the actual order is decided by PocketSword. For exemple : if i replace SynodalP by Synodal in .conf file, the order became the good one but additionnal Apocrypha books are add unless there are empty. So I think that PocketSword decide himself to order SynodalP books as KJV books. Nic, I saw that file http://www.crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trun...sicv11ns/canon_synodalp.h didn't define a book structure just like file http://www.crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trun...asicv11ns/canon_synodal.h do. Does it mean that SynodalP Bible structure is by default KJV's one? 2) Concerning red letters, i think markup must be add in front of each word of Jesus in the IMP file before compiling the module, to have this option working. I will send you markup to add if you want to do this because it can take a while. The actual synodal new testament of official repository is in copyright, so i can't copy it to replace it in this new module. 3) I will change the description to "Canon Russian Synodal Bible". Is it good so? I am waiting your green light to send the module to sword. Keep me posted if you want to add red letter before. Here is new module with new description : http://cjoint.com/?3EujWWHDOM3 Here is new IMP and OSIS file : http://cjoint.com/?3EujXrTmdO5 Regards. ---------------------------------------- [Edit 6 times, last edit by cgngon at May 20, 2011 4:56:13 AM] |
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wwjdusa
Regular United States Joined: May 2, 2011 Post Count: 15 Status: Offline |
Concerning the red letters... I am willing to go through every text and add manually add the markup. Even though it might take some time, I am willing to do this since this would bring an extra benefit to Bible readers. I do not know how to "add the markup". Be sure to explain this procedure to me and show me few examples. Thank you. Concerning the book order... If PocketSword does not have a "Canon" synodal versification, then use the KJV Canon versification. I myself personally think that KJV Canon versification would be more appropriate than Synodal Full Bible versification. The Bible description looks good. |
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cgngon
Regular Joined: Apr 28, 2011 Post Count: 26 Status: Offline |
Hi David, If you have the complete list of Jesus word, i coule try to add markup automaticaly. Regards |
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cgngon
Regular Joined: Apr 28, 2011 Post Count: 26 Status: Offline |
Here it is http://cjoint.com/?AEux10gV9LE Computed with SwordSearcher 6.1 at http://www.swordsearcher.com/ But not alway whole verse are word of Christ. So not always whole verse must be in red. I'll send you markup an exemple very soon. Regards. ---------------------------------------- [Edit 2 times, last edit by cgngon at May 21, 2011 8:33:10 AM] |
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wwjdusa
Regular United States Joined: May 2, 2011 Post Count: 15 Status: Offline |
Oh wow!!! It is wonderful to know that you have the list "Word's of Christ" and that majority of my work is complete. If there is an easy method to apply the entire list to the RSV Bible, then please proceed and apply the entire list. I will then make special corrections to the verses, where part of the verse must be black and the other part must be red. ---------------------------------------- [Edit 1 times, last edit by wwjdusa at May 20, 2011 4:43:02 PM] |
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pypsichok
Stranger US Joined: Apr 19, 2010 Post Count: 2 Status: Offline |
David M, I just saw the thread in regards to a Russian Bible and read some posts. Sounds like you guys are creating a russian full bible from scratch? Well..here is the scoop. For the past few years, there has been a Russian Bible by the name of RST in the official Crosswire repository. The way the verses were structured in that RST bible was to match KJV bible. Additionally it had Strong numbers in it. This bible also had spaces missing between many of the words. Well, there are few of us Slavic speaking folks, who wanted to improve upon this RST bible, by fixing all the missing spaces. So more than a year ago, one of the guys from Russia submitted a fixed version of the RST, additionally, it had headings, crossreferences added to it. A really great version!!!! It was submitted to Crosswire for review! Well, after numerous inquries about the status of this module, where it was in the review process, the next thing that happen was that in March, 2011, the existing RST that was out there with mistakes for MANY YEARS was removed due to "copyright violation" with the following explanation: 1) The KJV and its versification system are in the public domain, due to their age. The Synodal Bible and its versification system are also in the public domain, due to their age. The act of mapping the Synodal Bible onto the KJV versification system is a complex procedure that was done by hand, and the company that commissioned it claims copyright. 2) Strong's numbers aren't themselves copyrighted, but their assignment to particular words in a text generally requires hand tagging. The company that commissioned the Strong's tagging claims copyright on them. Further, the company that holds copyright on this particular Synodal Bible text is not interested in licensing it. After numerous chatting on the crosswire developer forum, the consensus was that simply making the RST verses match KJV, is NOT a copyrighted process! It can be run through a script to do it automatically. There is NO issue with the above #1. Additionally someone had a python script to parse the words and crudely assign Strong numbers to words. From the number #2 above it was not fully clear what the copyright violation was, BUT still we suggested to contact the Strong Number's copyright holder to see if they would allow Strong Numbers to be in the RST (whoever it is), or in the worst case scenario, resubmit the RST module WITHOUT the Strong Numbers. It is May, 2011 now, and there is ZERO interest from Crosswire to respond to resolve the problem and work this issue thru. While, there is NO RUSSIAN BIBLE CURRENTLY OUT THERE in Crosswire module list. Just the New Testament is out there. Any attempts to talk to the few folks and one blessed soul in particular (who yanked the RST off the list), was not going anywhere and hitting a brick wall in the discussions. We've asked for more information on who was complaining about RST violating copyrights. (still waiting...) The module has been out there for years, and NO one had an issue. My gut feeling, I'd love to be wrong, there WAS NO complaint from external entities. Some person X just made an executive decision to pull RST off the Crosswire module list, based on couple of ficticious reasons with no concrete reasons/complaints to back up those actions. (search on developer forum for the discussion of the above two items). Now, having explained that, tread with caution creating a new Russian Bible. Because some have spent years making the RST Bible awesome (fix typos, add headings, footnotes, crossreferences), had submitted it for review, and only ended up in the worst position than we were before. (RST being removed completely!) Hate to see you do all the work, and then have frivolous reasons given to you why the module can't be posted, or it is violating some ficticious, imaginary copyright. Peace and God Bless~ Pypsik p.s... if you are looking for Russian Bible, send me a private message:-) ---------------------------------------- [Edit 2 times, last edit by pypsichok at May 20, 2011 5:46:32 PM] |
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cgngon
Regular Joined: Apr 28, 2011 Post Count: 26 Status: Offline |
Hi Pypsik, I am new in this forum so i didn't know all that story about Sword Russian Bible. Just like said above, i am not russian, and i just wanted to help. We had the information from Kalemas that russian Bible exist in experimental repository. I don't known if it is the module your are talking about. Any way, it would be good to remove from the module you are talking about, what cause a conflit with crosswire, and publish it because there is already many features on it. In the meanwhile i will do my best to help having a temporary module even with more less features, so that many people could acces officially russian bible. Thank you very much for your information. David, i will publish an update of the IMP file with all words of Christ verses in red, and you will correct by moving markups so that only words of Christ be red. I forgot to mention that i got the list of Word of Christ verses with program SwordSearcher 6.1 at http://www.swordsearcher.com/ (regex search \D) Regard. ---------------------------------------- [Edit 3 times, last edit by cgngon at May 21, 2011 8:35:51 AM] |
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cgngon
Regular Joined: Apr 28, 2011 Post Count: 26 Status: Offline |
Hi David, I submitted today version 1.0 of the Canon Russian Synodal Bible. So further version will only add new features and corrections. I will send you new imp file with Words of Christ verses in red very soon. Regards. ---------------------------------------- [Edit 1 times, last edit by cgngon at May 23, 2011 4:14:57 AM] |
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cgngon
Regular Joined: Apr 28, 2011 Post Count: 26 Status: Offline |
Hi David, Here is new module and IMP file. Module : http://cjoint.com/?3EzneYiZZ2b IMP file : http://cjoint.com/?3EznemT2ObI You will use IMP file to correct words of Christ verses. Arround those verses you will see markup <q marker="" who="Jesus"> at starting verse and </q> at the end. You will have to move either <q marker="" who="Jesus"> or </q> or both markup for some verses. Waiting new file when ready. take your time. Regards. ---------------------------------------- [Edit 1 times, last edit by cgngon at May 25, 2011 4:15:46 AM] |
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