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Posted by mdbergmann at Aug 28, 2011 7:12:08 AM
New Name Voting
Here are the suggestions from the other thread plus a few variations:

iSword
Biblia
Tome
iTome
MyTome
eStudie
Enchiridion
Sword of the Spirit
WordSower
MyScripture
MyScriptures


Please vote.
I would suggest everyone can vote for two different suggestions.


Manfred

Posted by mdbergmann at Aug 28, 2011 7:12:48 AM
Re: New Name Voting
Let me begin:

MyScriptures
+1

MyTome
+1

Posted by 1stmac at Aug 28, 2011 8:27:44 AM
Re: New Name Voting
Thanks for your excellent work on this ;)

My vote:

iSword +2

don't like the rest ...

Posted by JonGl at Aug 29, 2011 8:35:29 AM
Re: New Name Voting
I kind of like Biblia, because it's also a Polish word, ;-) but I won't.

I sort of like iSword (+1)

and also MyScripture(s) ) (+1)

Posted by edjenn1998 at Aug 29, 2011 7:28:52 PM
Re: New Name Voting
Why can't you use MacSword? This is one word not two. How ever if you can't

I would vote for :

ISword

Posted by Dan_Eble at Aug 29, 2011 7:58:34 PM
Re: New Name Voting
I'd give minus points to anything beginning with I or My. It sounds so egotistical.

Is there anything wrong with just "Holy Bible"? ("Holy" to distinguish it from other bibles.) The pre-packaged book programs are simply named "Address Book" and "Dictionary", so it would fit right in.

I would find it extremely convenient to be able to type "bib" (or "holy") in Spotlight and have this application be the top hit. So, if I have to restrict my vote to the list above, let me give +2 for Biblia.

Posted by phloem at Aug 30, 2011 8:13:32 AM
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Something other than "sword" would be nice. I work in the Middle East.

Posted by mdbergmann at Aug 30, 2011 8:39:16 AM
Re: New Name Voting
Something other than "sword" would be nice. I work in the Middle East.

Then please vote what you like.

Manfred

Posted by phloem at Aug 30, 2011 10:14:56 AM
Re: New Name Voting
scrolls

pursuit

Posted by mdbergmann at Aug 30, 2011 11:49:21 AM
Re: New Name Voting
scrolls

pursuit

Please vote from one of our suggestions and in the form the others did as well.


Manfred

Posted by derrick at Aug 30, 2011 1:44:38 PM
Re: New Name Voting
Biblia
+2

Posted by joseabrahamcp777 at Aug 30, 2011 3:33:14 PM
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I like iSword

Posted by jumpingfrijole at Sep 1, 2011 9:49:16 PM
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I would vote for Biblia. I agree about not using "sword" as it would be difficult to have it on my desktop as I work in Central Asia, let alone those who are working in the Middle East. Biblia gives the software a great name that brings an old school feel to a high tech tool. Or another thought is "God's Word". That's what it is right?

Posted by Osk at Sep 2, 2011 1:16:27 AM
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Biblia is the name of Logos' web service (cf. biblia.com). I'm sure they've got a trademark on the term, and there's no need to add confusion, so I would stay away from that one.

Posted by mdbergmann at Sep 3, 2011 12:02:49 AM
Re: New Name Voting
How can "Biblia" be registered as a trademark.
What I found on their web poage is this:
"Biblia.com and Logos Bible Software are trademarks of Logos Research Systems, Inc."

Manfred

Posted by chasm at Sep 3, 2011 6:14:39 AM
Re: New Name Voting
Biblia +1
eStudy (or eStudie) +1
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Posted by mdbergmann at Sep 3, 2011 8:32:32 AM
Re: New Name Voting
Here is a preliminary result. I'll keep it running for maybe one week:


iSword +6
Biblia +7
Tome
iTome
MyTome +1
eStudie +1
Enchiridion
Sword of the Spirit
WordSower
MyScripture
MyScriptures +2



Manfred

Posted by pndh at Sep 3, 2011 9:44:49 AM
Re: New Name Voting
Thank you so much for your ministry, I believe many will come to the Lord through this as the Bible is the best evangelist there is. As a Mac user this is very valuable indeed.
How about iBiblia ?

Posted by ninjaaron at Sep 3, 2011 11:41:37 AM
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Please not 'iSomething'

It's so played out. When the iMac came out, it meant "Internet Macintosh," and somehow now it just means "Apple Product." I don't mean this as an attack on anyone who likes the name, but it almost feels like it cheapens the software, which is a little ironic, given that it's a medium for the most valuable thing in the world. If I may, I'd like to set one of my votes against 'iSword.' Maybe that's cheating.

Of the names suggested I prefer 'Biblia'.

It might be nice to go with something a little more descriptive riffing off of "Biblia."

Something like Biblia Phanera, "Open books." Φανερα (phanera) is a really nice word to use here, cause it can mean 'open' as in manifest, but it can also mean 'open' as in public. It's a nice wordplay that really capture what the Sword Project is all about, and it differentiates it from other uses of the word in proprietary contexts, such as biblia.com and Biblia Sacra from the German Bible Society. It also sort of plays with the idea of the "open book" in Revelation, though a different Greek root is there (referring to the physical act of opening).

It's also nice in Hebrew: "Sepher Patuach" (ספר פתוח, lit: 'open book'). In Hebrew, it makes me think more about the reversal of the sealing of the book in Isaiah 29:11-12 (which, of course, is related directly to the image Revelation 10:2+8). Hebrew is also nice because there isn't really any major Bible software with a Hebrew name, and there are already a couple with Greek names (Xiphos, one of MacSword's sisters on Linux, and, of course, Logos)

Posted by lightman at Sep 3, 2011 3:47:28 PM
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I think a view of France could be interesting (traduction by Google)

Biblia : too generic term,
Tome : is ridiculous in French
iTome : same
MyTome : same
Enchiridion : a name as complicated and seemingly unrelated to the word "Bible" is the best way
so that the software remains unknown!
WordSower : it does not understand name

If you do not consider my vote, it does not matter but here it is:

Biblia : -1
Tome : -1
iTome : -1
MyTome : -1
Enchiridion : -1
WordSower : -1

Posted by mdbergmann at Sep 4, 2011 12:11:08 PM
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Biblia : -1
Tome : -1
iTome : -1
MyTome : -1
Enchiridion : -1
WordSower : -1

You vote is very helpful indeed. :|


Manfred

Posted by revision29 at Sep 4, 2011 10:00:29 PM
Re: New Name Voting
iSword. Even though it is a little cheesy to go with the "i" mantra, it fits with its previous name (MacSword) a bit better.

Posted by niccarter at Sep 7, 2011 5:01:01 AM
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Hmmm, not to be unhelpful, but I also don't like the idea of the name starting with either "i" or "My"... :(

I actually really like the idea of "Biblia Phanera" over simply Biblia, so my vote is:


Biblia Phanera: +2

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Posted by truckmasterxanga at Sep 9, 2011 3:23:41 AM
applause   New Name
I agree with most everyone that something that starts with i would sound too much like an apple product so I don't think any s those would be good.

I like Biblia but it does have a broad scope to include any book. I liked Biblia Phanera or Holy Bible better than any of the other suggestions.

Biblia +1
Biblia Phanera +2
Holy Bible +2

Posted by heartofgod at Sep 9, 2011 4:23:45 AM
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My vote is iSword

Posted by TheNavyBear at Sep 10, 2011 9:09:22 AM
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I liked MacSword, but understand the reasons behind the change. Eloquent did not really seem to fit with bible software. I also feel any app with a name of iApp is a bad idea, way over played. I also feel a name like Holy Bible isn't the greatest idea cause the SWORD project also has modules for non-bibles (like lexicons and commentaries, which yes, relate to the Bible, but are not themselves the Bible).

Thus my vote is: Biblia +2
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Posted by heartofgod at Sep 11, 2011 2:29:36 PM
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iSword +2

Posted by ghostoth at Sep 13, 2011 6:49:13 AM
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I liked MacSword. Very self explanatory. If you must change then I vote for iSword (+1) since it is the only one that tells us exactly what it is. The Mac version of the Sword Project. Keep it simple.

Posted by purplefingers at Sep 16, 2011 12:25:04 AM
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How about BibleBoss?

Posted by 12Stones at Sep 16, 2011 2:52:56 AM
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For me, it's iSword.




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Posted by cottager at Sep 16, 2011 8:05:51 AM
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From the original list my favorite is:
Biblia

But I'm an artist/writer so i HAD to get creative too - sorry! :)

so though you didn't ask, how about:
Codex

Posted by onemorelate at Sep 17, 2011 8:13:33 AM
Re: New Name Voting
Biblia +1
MyScriptures +1

^__^

Posted by mdbergmann at Sep 17, 2011 12:41:03 PM
Re: New Name Voting
This is the current result:


iSword +14
Biblia (Phanera) +15 (+2)
MyTome +1
eStudie +1
MyScriptures +3


Now, I'm not sure about the addition "Phanera".
I would think the name "Biblia Phanera" is too long.

Because the results for iSword and Biblia are so close I'm, thinking about doing another vote over iSword and Biblia only.
What do you think?


Manfred

Posted by ninjaaron at Sep 18, 2011 5:46:00 AM
Re: New Name Voting
I was actually thinking about "Biblia Phanera" being a bit long myself.

Should you decide to use it at all, you could treat it like a subtitle, with just "Biblia" for short, and brand it along these lines:



(obviously don't brand it exactly like this with the Zapf font, unless you want an injunction, cause Apple is all about that).


I seriously don't know why I even have an opinion about this. I use Linux and run Xiphos and BibleTime.
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Posted by mdbergmann at Sep 18, 2011 6:14:24 AM
Re: New Name Voting
I seriously don't know why I even have an opinion about this. I use Linux and run Xiphos and BibleTime.
biggrin

Well, anyhow. Thanks for your opinion. :)



Manfred

Posted by TheNavyBear at Sep 18, 2011 7:42:43 AM
Re: New Name Voting
If it ends up being Biblia Phanera, then I change my Biblia vote (it was a +2) to iSword, cause as much as iSomething is over played, iSword is better than Biblia Phanera IMO, it should be something short and simple...
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Posted by mdbergmann at Sep 18, 2011 9:11:42 AM
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If it ends up being Biblia Phanera, then I change my Biblia vote (it was a +2) to iSword, cause as much as iSomething is over played, iSword is better than Biblia Phanera IMO, it should be something short and simple...

I wouldn't just use "Biblia Phanera" if the most votes are for "Biblia". But I'm thinking whether it makes sense to start a new vote over the three names.


Manfred

Posted by cottager at Sep 18, 2011 2:21:39 PM
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Of the top 3 I still like Biblia best. (adding Phanera is too long).

Posted by DanielGardner at Sep 19, 2011 6:59:40 AM
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Hullo, I registered just to comment on this thread. I vote for Biblia (short version). Adding Phanera is not wise, imo.
1). Honestly, few know what Phanera means, so it's like an inside joke that doesn't work well.
2). It adds nothing to the flow of the title. Saying "Biblia app" is beautiful, but saying "Biblia Phanera App" is cumbersome.
3). "Biblia" sums up the core of this software because it brings to mind "Bible" while at the same time conjuring up an international, multi-linguistic feel. "Phanera" conjures nothing to mind because quite frankly, I have no idea what it MEANS.
4). Think small. In case of a future iPhone app, wouldn't Biblia be to the point? Smaller titles means it gets stamped quickly on people's minds. I can easily memorize the word "Biblia" but here in a week I will have forgotten how to spell Phanera. Which means if I want to recommend this app in an email, etc I first have to do a Google search just to find out how to spell it.
5). I just did a google search to discover what Phanera means. The first two results (one of them is a wikipedia article) deal with "The genus Phanera is in the family Leguminosae in the major group Angiosperms (Flowering plants)." Confusing as heck.

Biblia +1 (without phanera)

Posted by ninjaaron at Sep 19, 2011 12:56:43 PM
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^^^^^^

The man may have a point.

Posted by mdbergmann at Sep 19, 2011 1:30:28 PM
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Absolutely. I'll end the name vote herewith and make preparations for the rename.


Manfred

Posted by lightman at Sep 20, 2011 7:59:07 AM
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I think a new vote with iSword and Biblia is a rich idea.

Posted by Osk at Sep 21, 2011 6:23:54 AM
Re: New Name Voting
It seems like my warning against choosing "Biblia" is going ignored. I need to very seriously warn you against using "Biblia" as a name for Bible software.

Manfred, as you have observed, Logos has a registered trademark on "Biblia.com". Trademarks protect companies with particular marks (e.g. words/names, illustrations, and phrases) from attempts by 3rd parties to use identical or similar marks within the same trade. Logos is very obviously within the same trade, and is even within the same very narrowly described "Bible software" trade.

I don't see how there could be any question that changing the name of Eloquent to Biblia would constitute trademark infringement, and willful infringement at that, since you're aware of Logos' trademark. Were they to choose to do so, Logos would have an easy time of compelling you to change the name yet again to something else (and could also certainly seek monetary damages and/or attorney's fees).

Ignoring trademarks altogether, what is the benefit of using a name that is already in use for a different product? People searching for your software will likely go to Biblia.com instead. There would be no hope of ever getting the domain name Biblia.com. It's doubtful your website would be one of the top results for a google search soon, if ever.

Posted by JohanMarais at Sep 21, 2011 7:40:06 AM
Re: New Name Voting
MyScriptures +2

Posted by niccarter at Sep 22, 2011 3:46:46 AM
Re: New Name Voting
Taking on what Osk has said, and others about Biblica Phanera being too long, I suggest starting over and looking for names without the "My" or "i" prefix. As a Mac user for over 10 years now, I am at the point where if I see an app with the prefix "i" and it's not made by Apple, I don't even give it a go, assuming it's just trying to jump on the bandwagon and has had very little thought go into it. As we all know, MacSword/Eloquent has been around for yonks and has had a lot of time and thought go into it, so it doesn't fit into that type of app! So, I would suggest sticking away from using that suffix.

I would hold to apps having the "My" prefix as being in the same boat. That's just my thoughts, but I'm struggling to recall of any *quality* OS X apps out there that start with the "i" that aren't made by Apple. (actually, looking at all the user-installed apps I have on my Mac, 4 of the 120 of them start with "i" and I don't use any of them, having simply installed them for interest a long time ago.)

I hope that helps?
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Posted by revision29 at Sep 22, 2011 7:03:35 AM
Re: New Name Voting
What was wrong with MacSword?

Posted by cottager at Sep 22, 2011 5:32:15 PM
Re: New Name Voting
too bad Biblia is used. So forgive me but I'll brainstorm more:

Biblux (lux="light")

Scriptorum

Codex (book)


Thank you for working on this great software!

Posted by JonGl at Sep 22, 2011 10:45:04 PM
Re: New Name Voting
What was wrong with MacSword?


apps with "Mac" as part of the name aren't allowed on the Mac App Store. It seems they can say "for Mac", but not like with MacSword, have it integrated. So, if we want the app on the Mac Store, the name has to go.

That said, is the license for the MAS compatible with the OpenSource license of the Sword Project? I know there have been some rumblings about PocketSword (and they seem to be compatible), but I don't have the expertise to know...

-Jon

Posted by ghoussney at Sep 22, 2011 11:52:49 PM
Re: New Name Voting
iSword is my choice.

Posted by niccarter at Sep 23, 2011 5:46:58 AM
Re: New Name Voting
That said, is the license for the MAS compatible with the OpenSource license of the Sword Project? I know there have been some rumblings about PocketSword (and they seem to be compatible), but I don't have the expertise to know...
-Jon

Besides RMS, I believe the rest of the world is generally happy with GPL and the Apple App Stores. ;)
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Posted by mdbergmann at Sep 25, 2011 8:54:12 AM
Re: New Name Voting
I'm, not making the connection between having a trademark for "Biblia.com" and having a program called "Biblia".
If there would be trouble for using "Biblia" for a name of a program it would be inappropriate.

However in order to avoid any such potential trouble.
We'll start over.

Apps using iXYZ are indeed a little used too widely.
Preferably we'd want to have something without "i" or "My".

I'll start a new thread shortly to collect new suggestions.


Manfred

Posted by philtr at Oct 2, 2011 5:56:49 AM
Re: New Name Voting
I know I'm a little late to this discussion, but what's wrong with Eloquent?

I thought it was perfect! The Word of God is relevant to everyone anywhere at any time. Eloquent means "Fluent or persuasive in speaking or writing" or "Clearly expressing or indicating something", and I both of those describe my experience reading God's Word.

Honestly, all the rest of the suggestions seems a little silly compared to Eloquent.


Phillip

Posted by mdbergmann at Oct 2, 2011 2:46:52 PM
Re: New Name Voting
Well, thank you as it actually was my choice and I like it as well.
The problem with this name is that there are many complaints by people.
However I will add it in the upcoming name voting.



Manfred

Posted by 1stmac at Oct 5, 2011 5:20:56 AM
Re: New Name Voting
Hi Manfred. Your responsiveness to user feedback is appreciated ;)
But since Eloquent is already the default name, and it looks like you can't satisfy everyone anyway, perhaps you should just stick to it, then?

Posted by JonGl at Oct 5, 2011 5:58:02 AM
Re: New Name Voting
Hi Manfred. Your responsiveness to user feedback is appreciated ;)
But since Eloquent is already the default name, and it looks like you can't satisfy everyone anyway, perhaps you should just stick to it, then?


+2 to this suggestion. Eloquent certainly seems better than all the other options we've come up with (and i include my suggestions in that). :-)

-Jon

Posted by niccarter at Oct 5, 2011 4:46:33 PM
Re: New Name Voting
How about the full name being "Eloquent Bible Study" & so that's what appears in the Mac App Store, but call the executable simply "Eloquent"? That's one option I'm considering for PS: rename it something long for use in the App Store (which also means those are added search terms!) but still call the app PS... ;)
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Posted by TheNavyBear at Oct 7, 2011 11:25:31 AM
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I vote for Eloquent
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Posted by jcharlery at Oct 8, 2011 4:36:57 AM
Re: New Name Voting
I have always liked MacSword! If this is not available, then both of my votes would be for iSword.

Posted by mdbergmann at Oct 8, 2011 10:20:39 AM
Re: New Name Voting
How about the full name being "Eloquent Bible Study" & so that's what appears in the Mac App Store, but call the executable simply "Eloquent"? That's one option I'm considering for PS: rename it something long for use in the App Store (which also means those are added search terms!) but still call the app PS... ;)

That's not a bad idea.
We already have the domain eloquent-bible-study.eu.
A rename would mean quite a lot of time and effort.
I'll think about it some more and maybe we get some more opinions.


Manfred

Posted by jchaugen at Oct 12, 2011 7:37:32 AM
Re: New Name Voting
Dixit Dominus /ˈdɪksɪt ˈdoʊmɪˌnus/
Dixit for short!

Translated this means "The Lord Said." Dixit Dominus occurs throughout the scripture, especially in the Prophets. It is well known for the Psalm 110 setting by George Friederic Handel. As the scriptures are indeed the word of the Lord I can think of no more appropriate name.

The name would have international appeal as it is Latin many other languages have similar words regularly used today.

Posted by szym9341 at Oct 17, 2011 6:16:32 PM
Re: New Name Voting
Truism

Posted by DavidHarris at Oct 19, 2011 2:55:57 AM
Re: New Name Voting
I will vote for
WordSower and iTome.
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Posted by fauxpaux at Oct 19, 2011 5:12:42 PM
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iSword

Posted by mdbergmann at Oct 20, 2011 5:08:11 AM
Re: New Name Voting
I will keep the name "Eloquent" for the executable but as suggested the actual name is "Eloquent Bible Study".



Manfred